implied odds

urbanati · #1 09-11-2005, 08:12 AM

Do you ever call this bet? Do you ever draw or bluff on 4 outs???
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($49.50)
UTG ($68.38)
MP ($53.40)
CO ($34.76)
Button ($97.15)
SB ($50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG raises to $1, MP raises to $1.5, 1 fold, Button calls $1.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, UTG raises to $4, MP calls $2.50, Button calls $2.50, Hero calls $2.50.

Flop: ($16.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $8, MP folds, Button calls $8, Hero folds.

Turn: ($32.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $15, Button calls $15.

River: ($62.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $15, Button raises to $30, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $107.25

Rooger · #2 09-11-2005, 09:36 AM

Draw, no. Bluff, rarely - in certain instances if I feel my opponent is on a club draw. You must be ready to pot / push a non-club turn, and never do this against 2 opponents.

You don't have the implied odds to draw for the straight. If you don't hit the turn, you probably have to fold to a bet - so you can't expect to see both turn & river for a call, which gives you 8% to hit the straight on the turn. You need to stack both opponents everytime you do this, to have correct odds, which you won't do.

theben · #3 09-11-2005, 11:46 AM

i dont draw on 4 outs for that bet.

DoomSlice · #4 09-11-2005, 12:18 PM

I'd say you've probably got about 7 outs.

djoyce003 · #5 09-11-2005, 12:59 PM

if the stacks were deeper, and I thought any of my J or 10 outs were good AND this was headsup I might consider a call here. Headsup you could actually have 4 straight outs, 6 possible j or 10 outs, and some bluffing outs on clubs, if your opponent has the capability to fold. In a multi-way pot though, there is too much chance that someone has a club draw so you don't have outs there, and that limits your gutshot outs to 3 instead of 4. Pretty easy fold multi-way.

urbanati · #6 09-11-2005, 01:14 PM

Thank you for the replies.
I never call this although this time I considered to give a chance an eight...