KQd in the SB where did i go wrong?

[billm420]

about 100 shy of the money in a 10 dollar stars tourney. Villian was just moved to my table with 11k. I have 10500 while average is 6500.Blinds 100/200 It is passed the the aggressive button who limps, i have KQ of diamond in the SB i make it 1200 to go. The BB raises to 2400. I think about folding because the size of the raise screams monster.I figured getting the odds i should take a flop. I call button folds, flop K83 two diamonds. I check raise him all in he calls with red aces and the board bricks. Where did i go wrong? how big of a donkey am i?

[stevepa]

First, just because you lost the hand doesn't mean you did something wrong. Preflop I wouldn't usually raise that much but if I did, I'd call the small reraise. Once that flop comes, all my chips are going in. Even against aces it's basically a coin flip on the flop.

Steve

[Rduke55]

I think it's fine. that's a great flop for you.
You're barely behind here as it is (maybe 46 or 47%?) and he would have bet out with a wide variety of hands (QQ) in many cases.

[Matador225]

Your decision making process was fine IMO. Some people wouldn't raise so much or at all, but that is largely read dependent. If you hit your flush your set and you would have more than enough firepower to make it deep in the money. This is just a tough situation that really cannot be avoided.

[TomHimself]

donkey, jk. people need to stop posting hands jsut cuz they lost

[ekky]

id just limp it pre-flop for a start. Stacks look quite deep, and you prefer to see a flop with this hand rather then getting bet out of it pre flop.

When he re-raises you that small amount, I think you need to consider folding. All the signs are there he has a monster, and your pot odds aren't enough to justify calling.

The majority of players work out the pot odds first, and then use that as a basis to apply people ranges. I prefer to work out ranges and then apply the pot odds. In general, you are getting shown AA/KK/QQ here... and as such, you aren't priced in to call (of course, there are times some clueless donk is doing this with 88/77.. but deeper into the tourney, the donk factor is less prevalent)

On the flop, you have to go with it. You are almost a money fav over AA here, and the money in the pot offers you exceptional pot-odds.

badly disguised bad beat post.

button limps, SB raises 6xBB to steal, BB resteals, button folds, SB calls. just happened BB wasn't on a resteal.

he could have anything. the minreraise seems to scream "pay me," but you knew that. what's button limping here, though? does that change how we look at this hand? you make it 1200, BB makes it 2400, button pushes - there's a hand that's at least interesting.

flop TPGK w/2nd nut flush draw. you c/r allin with 14 outs twice? even with his nut flush redraw, what else do you want with this hand?

lead the flop. you'll learn a whole lot more about his hand. still, you lead, he pushes... can you get away from it?

interesting questions:

say BB pushes instead of making it 2400. can you put him on a resteal enough to call him?

do you call a push from the button here?

button scares me here almost as much as BB, ignoring the outcome of this hand.

i think you get it all in the middle here. you either have a giant stack to bully your table or you load up a new one and do it all over. seems quite textbook.

[TomHimself]

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badly disguised bad beat post.

button limps, SB raises 6xBB to steal, BB resteals, button folds, SB calls. just happened BB wasn't on a resteal.

he could have anything. the minreraise seems to scream "pay me," but you knew that. what's button limping here, though? does that change how we look at this hand? you make it 1200, BB makes it 2400, button pushes - there's a hand that's at least interesting.

flop TPGK w/2nd nut flush draw. you c/r allin with 14 outs twice? even with his nut flush redraw, what else do you want with this hand?

lead the flop. you'll learn a whole lot more about his hand. still, you lead, he pushes... can you get away from it?

interesting questions:

say BB pushes instead of making it 2400. can you put him on a resteal enough to call him?

do you call a push from the button here?

button scares me here almost as much as BB, ignoring the outcome of this hand.

i think you get it all in the middle here. you either have a giant stack to bully your table or you load up a new one and do it all over. seems quite textbook.

[/ QUOTE ]pretty hard to say w/o stack sizes but theres no way ur folding w/ that flop and maybe hard folding to a push pf if the pot odds are decent

[ekky]

id call a push pre-flop a lot quicker then I'd call the small re-raise, for what its worth.

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id call a push pre-flop a lot quicker then I'd call the small re-raise, for what its worth.

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totally with ya.