bottom two check up

cnfuzzd · #1 09-07-2005, 04:35 AM

doing a quick check up of some hands. No real reads here as i hadnt been here very long.looks like a fairly average table.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, UTG folds, MP calls, CO calls, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP calls, CO calls, SB calls.

River: (12.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP folds, CO calls, SB folds.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

peace

john nickle

kurosh · #2 09-07-2005, 04:42 AM

I cap the flop.

billyjex · #3 09-07-2005, 04:44 AM

i just go ahead and cap the flop. you can put pressure on MP and CO to call two cold once again (while they called the same amount getting worse odds, sometimes people "get the point" that they are behind and fold. if they still want to call with their gutshots/weak pairs, then let them make a big mistake.)

I don't like slowing down on the flop, SB could very well be pumping a draw or getting silly with top pair. If you cap and he leads into you, you can start calling down.

nice river bet, i suppose that would be a very painful fold to a raise.

mute · #4 09-07-2005, 04:53 AM

I like it, assuming you were planning to raise a safe turn. Once it's 3bet you have no chance of protecting your hand, and there are so amny bad cards, that can come on the turn.

Bet/folding the river looks good too.

Surfbullet · #5 09-07-2005, 05:04 AM

I like waiting for the turn to raise again. If that was your intent the hand looks fine.

Surf

deepsquat · #6 09-07-2005, 05:19 AM

If Sb bet the Ace turn and we raise whats our plan if 3bet?

cnfuzzd · #7 09-07-2005, 05:26 AM

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I like waiting for the turn to raise again. If that was your intent the hand looks fine.

Surf

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it was.

peace

john nickle

jgorham · #8 09-07-2005, 06:05 AM

Yeah this example is very similar to the "two overpair hands" section in SSHE. Waiting for the turn to reraise is far and away the better play here, as your equity will change dramatically based on what that card is. Besides that, you know none of your opponents are folding for 2 more on the flop, so wait to the turn to put it to em.

jason_t · #9 09-07-2005, 06:16 AM

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Yeah this example is very similar to the "two overpair hands" section in SSHE. Waiting for the turn to reraise is far and away the better play here, as your equity will change dramatically based on what that card is. Besides that, you know none of your opponents are folding for 2 more on the flop, so wait to the turn to put it to em.

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The difference between this hand and this oft-cited example (in my opinion, most of the times it is cited it is not appropriate to) is that the pot is not large.

deepsquat · #10 09-07-2005, 06:29 AM

I dont think waiting for the turn here is a good idea. Im raising and 3betting bottom two pair religiously particularly because u have a chance to fold a couple of people.

You arent really going to know what a safe turn card is with this hand.

Any heart, 6,8,9,10 even Ace arent going to be great cards.

Id rather try and get this HU with SB as this is a strong hand HU but potentially very vulnerable multiway and capping now can make this hand easier to play on future streets. How does this sound, way off?