QQ on AAA board and a call down

mute · #1 09-05-2005, 08:46 PM

Villain is 40/16/0.7

Too weak?

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, MP calls, Hero caps, SB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (13 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets, SB calls, MP folds.

Turn: (7.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls.

River: (11.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

w_alloy · #2 09-05-2005, 08:49 PM

Agasint some opponents I raise. Against this one I think its a clear calldown.

baronzeus · #3 09-05-2005, 08:49 PM

id prolly raise the river or 3bet the turn. JJ and TT are as likely as KK here.

rory · #4 09-05-2005, 08:50 PM

check behind on the flop.

baronzeus · #5 09-05-2005, 08:50 PM

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check behind on the flop.

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can you explain please?

rory · #6 09-05-2005, 08:52 PM

oh, hero capped preflop. then i check behind on the turn.

handsome · #7 09-05-2005, 08:53 PM

Wow... am I the only person to play it the same way as the OP?

w_alloy · #8 09-05-2005, 08:54 PM

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id prolly raise the river or 3bet the turn. JJ and TT are as likely as KK here.

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He could have an ace too. I just pokerstoved it and against his range, assuming he has an ace or a pp over 9s, you have 28% equity. I think this is a clear w/a w/b scenario.

baronzeus · #9 09-05-2005, 08:57 PM

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He could have an ace too. I just pokerstoved it and against his range, assuming he has an ace or a pp over 9s, you have 28% equity. I think this is a clear w/a w/b scenario.

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what range did you put in

here's what i got

Board: Ac Ad As 4c
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 45.6315 % 43.47% 02.16% { KK-TT, AKs, AKo }
Hand 2: 54.3685 % 52.20% 02.16% { QQ }

if you add 99 in your equity goes up a lot. AQs drops your equity by < 1%

w_alloy · #10 09-05-2005, 09:04 PM

Erggh sry didnt realized he 3bet, I was using a raising range. Maybe your advice is correct. If he raises AQo its split exactly 50/50, which I dont think is too unreasonable. I still think this is a w/a w/b, because you wont fold a better hand and lose 2 bets if he has an ace. I guess it depends on if you think he 3-bets with AQo. But maybe his flop call skew's his range a bit? Obviously he can play an ace like this on the flop but if raising is more likely with an ace then a pp it still skews the results. Sorry I'm kinda thinking as I type.

I cant decide, I think I still call down, either way its close.

Edit: I cant see him raising 99 on the turn here, against heroe's range this is flat out retarded. Maybe we should discount TT a bit too. I guess it depends on how reasonable villian is.