How to Win at Online Roulette

greatwhite · #1 09-03-2005, 05:17 PM

I was getting bored of playing poker and I decided to do some web surfing. I was wondering what other forms of gambling can give a consistent profit. To my suprise I found How to Win at Online Roulette on Amazon.com. I went to their site and their wasn't one negative comment about the book. They all said that they were making money. I found this to be very suprising so I looked elsewhere for reviews and everyone said they made money on there. Has anyone read this book? It sounds like this could be quite an investment if these book reviews hold true. Please respond if you have read this. If you have not please don't share your opinion with this book.

MicroBob · #2 09-03-2005, 05:23 PM

I have not read the book but I'm going to share my thoughts anyway.

If you think you can be a long-term winner at online-roulette then you are not too bright.

I had a boss a few years ago who talked about playing roulette online.
He has some web-site or book or something that advocated placing the chips in pretty little patterns around the board so as to 'cover most of the numbers' and somehow 'increase his odds'.

This guy was a friend of mine actually and is generally fairly intelligent. but certainly not about stuff like this I learned.

#3 09-03-2005, 06:05 PM

other question, is it possible? i mean it is against the math facts, and statistic impossible!

benfranklin · #4 09-03-2005, 06:40 PM

This is the only roulette system that works: Mike Caro

Bottom line: every single possible bet at roulette is -EV. There is no way to combine 2 or more -EV bets and come out with a +EV situation.

As to the good reviews of the book, any system is likely to have a small number of short-term winners just by chance. There is no way the winning can be sustained in the long run.

Jordan Olsommer · #5 09-03-2005, 07:41 PM

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I found this to be very suprising so I looked elsewhere for reviews and everyone said they made money on there. Has anyone read this book? It sounds like this could be quite an investment if these book reviews hold true.

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Hypothesis A: This guy has against all odds found a system that works on one (or more, but most likely just one) online casino roulette games that is not fake, that takes advantage of some quirk in the software (eg the random number generator or perhaps the software allows you to "past post" in such a way that gives you some advantage), and that quirk or quirks have not been fixed in the time it took the author to discover it, get a book published about it, to the time that you saw the book on amazon. The casino has not noticed the book or the amount of money they have been losing at roulette because of its secrets.

Hypothesis B: This guy has a few friends who have agreed to pump up his book on amazon.

If I were a betting man...

*edit: I really wish that before I wrote all that, I had looked at the amazon page. There isn't a negative comment, all right. Not one, but both of the unverified (eg no "real name" tags) reviewers gave it a glowing review. Sounds like a keeper to me.

gomberg · #6 09-03-2005, 08:37 PM

I just read a book about how to beat craps - and actually it was very good. I just posted about it the other day. It's called "Wong on Dice" By S. Wong (the same guy who wrote "Sharp sports betting").

I think there is potential there if you get good.

SNOWBALL138 · #7 09-03-2005, 10:53 PM

Hi. Roullette wheels don't pay true odds. If your payoff odds are lower than your money odds, then you are losing money. If you can find a casino that pays true odds or better on their roullette wheels, then thats fine. However, no such casino exists.

If you can find a roullette wheel that has a bias for a certain number or group of numbers, thats fine too. This is very hard to find though. If you are able to use electronic devices to analyze the wheel as it moves without getting caught and going to jail, thats fine too.

If you can find a flaw in the random number generator of the online roullette wheel (a bias), thats fine too.

If the author is making claims that he was able to do any of these things, I would still be wary though, because its pretty likely that if you know about it, the casino knows about it too. However, if the author makes any claims that are vague like "ride your streaks" or "double your bet when you lose" then definitely head for the hills.

MicroBob · #8 09-03-2005, 11:50 PM

We're talking about something completely different here.

While some think Wong is kind of full of it on this one he DOES have the general respect of much of the advantage-gambling community.

The guy was a big influence in my blackjack card-counting days...and is also a +EV sports-bettor.

His books on blackjack and Sharp Sports Betting mostly were rated 9's (on 1-10 scale) by Mason Malmuth.

If Wong says his dice-mechanics techniques can give a player +EV then I am likely to strongly consider that he is correct.

Wong manipulating the dice in craps is COMPLETELY different from some flake saying that if you place your bets in a certain way you can actually beat roulette.

MicroBob · #9 09-03-2005, 11:51 PM

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Not one, but both

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You mean all BOTH of them said the system worked??!?!?!
WOW!! Sign me up!!!

benfranklin · #10 09-04-2005, 02:19 PM

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If Wong says his dice-mechanics techniques can give a player +EV then I am likely to strongly consider that he is correct.

Wong manipulating the dice in craps is COMPLETELY different from some flake saying that if you place your bets in a certain way you can actually beat roulette.

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As Mike Caro often points out, you can win at poker because your decisions affect the outcome. This is also true at blackjack. The same principle would apply to craps if your throw can affect the outcome (i.e., make the result something other than random).

In the long run, you cannot win at at a -EV game where your play does not affect the outcome. I don't know of any casino where they let the players spin the wheel. And the long run at roulette isn't very long.

The only possible way to win at roulette is to take advantage of any non-randomness in the wheel or in the way the dealer spins the wheel or drops the ball. There was a team in Europe recently that apparently managed to use radios, cameras, and real-time computer analysis to do this. They were discovered and banned. I'm guessing that this strategy is not discussed in that book.