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Old 09-01-2005, 05:01 PM
grb137 grb137 is offline
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Default Hmmm....am I toast?

7 Card Stud High ($20/$40), Ante $2, Bring-In $5 (hand converter)

3rd Street - (0.70 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls
Seat 3: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___completes

4th Street - (2.70 SB)

Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets

5th Street - (2.35 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls

6th Street - (4.35 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets

River - (6.35 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___bets
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___[?????]

Total pot: 8.35 BB
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Old 09-01-2005, 05:25 PM
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Default Re: Hmmm....am I toast?

No, you're not toast. I am.
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Old 09-01-2005, 05:49 PM
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Default Re: Hmmm....am I toast?

I think you are good here more then 1/7th of the time. In addition to bluffing he could be value betting a worse two pair
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Old 09-01-2005, 06:13 PM
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Default Re: Hmmm....am I toast?

Probably toast, but if you decide to check and call on the river, then you ought to go through with it. Too much chance of him betting on the basis that you only have the jacks and a busted draw to fold for one bet. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see either air or a boat.
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Old 09-01-2005, 07:53 PM
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Maybe raise on fifth.
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Old 09-01-2005, 08:27 PM
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My vote is for call however the only way of truly knowing what to do here depends upon proper observation of your opponent in previous hands. Not having that information makes it impossible to guess here. Nonetheless I could see him with a flush on the river in addition to a full house. A 3 flush is one of the few hands he could of had on 3rd street that would of been a reasonable call.
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Old 09-02-2005, 07:13 AM
Michael Emery Michael Emery is offline
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Default Re: Hmmm....am I toast?

I like it all the way through, grb. As for the river, I'd pay off most instances. I wouldnt be suprised to see it was just the one pair of open three's or a boat. One line I'm also willing to take here is to simply bet my two pair on the river against a non-tricky opponent (who will virtually always have me beat here if he raises). Two lower pair will often pay off here (you were in a steal position, could be on a busted str8 draw with one pair, etc.), but check behind when you check. If you know your opponent dosent have the balls to make a river raise here without having you beat then I like this line better than checking and calling. I think you're much more likely to get a call from two pair when you bet seventh than a bluff that you can snap off.

Mike Emery
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Old 09-02-2005, 08:23 AM
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Default Re: Hmmm....am I toast?

Easy payoff on the end, you have a good chance of being best. I'd consider raising 5th, but I'm not married to it.

Jeff
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Old 09-02-2005, 10:06 AM
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Default Re: Hmmm....am I toast?

I really think you're beat here. But I wouldn't be able to make the fold.

Btw I'd bet out here because I wouldn't be able to make said fold. And I think it would be rare that you'd get raised. However, I play games that are much less aggressive.
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Old 09-03-2005, 04:19 PM
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Default Re: Hmmm....am I toast?

opponent had Ks in the hole.
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