don't comment on preflop

[tiltaholic]

ok.

I have AJo in middle position.

Loose, aggressive but not completely dumb player (35/18 and aggressive postflop) who is down 20 bets in UTG+2 open raises.

One player folds. I have a fingerspasm and coldcall, although I intend to 3-bet to isolate as the table was relatively tight behind me. (this should teach me to leave my mouse hovering over the "call" area on the screen).

Everyone folds to villian who calls.

Flop: A 8 2 rainbow. (HU, 4.5 sb)

Villian bets. Hero calls.

Turn Q rainbow. (3 bb)

Villian bets. Hero calls.

River 4. (5bb)

Villian bets. Hero calls.

ok. so given my pf cold call, i was thinking that continuing to allow aggressive villain to (hopefully) bet into me would be a good thing. was this a mis-application of this line? should i throw in a value raise somewhere? i was planning to raise a blankish turn, but the Q made me think again. on the river, i felt villian only calls a river raise if i am beaten (or 3-bets).

i was also clearly betting any street if checked to.

what do you say?

[Entity]

3-bet PF, raise the turn. Call down if 3-bet. When a tilting 35/18 LAG raises preflop you need to get more bets in postflop with TPVGK.

Rob

[Redd]

I'd value-raise the turn then get to showdown. Unless he hit a 2-outer with QQ, that queen didn't put any hands ahead of you. And there's way too many hands in his range to put him on QQ.

edit: Raise pf [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[@bsolute_luck]

it did improve AQ [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

question: why wait 'til the turn? to get more money?

Yeah I think if you're playing this hand you have to get a raise in there on the turn.

[tiltaholic]

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it did improve AQ [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

question: why wait 'til the turn? to get more money?

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yes, thats what i was thinking. (to both)

[deception5]

I raise the river. Any ace calls and it would be extremely difficult to 3-bet you, even for a better hand (you essentially played it like a monster).

I don't think the queen would change my play much, there's 2 less combinations of AQ to worry about (and you were already behind AQ) and the only hand that improved to beat you was QQ which there are 3 combinations of, so you're losing to 1 more combination than you were losing to before (although there are now 5 fewer combinations of those hands in total, so it did decrease your winning chances slightly).

We're only playing the hand b/c we're pretty sure he's raising light and are not afraid of AK or AQ, or any reasonable hand for that matter.

As far as waiting for the turn to raise, there's a good example from HFAP that is similar I think, except Sklansky suggests to wait until the river. Say you raise from LP with AK, and the BB calls. Ace high flop and the BB donks out at you. Either he 1)Is bluffing 2) Has smaller ace or small pair or 3) Has you beat. In casees 1 + 2 raising the flop or turn slows him down, his odds of drawing out on you are slim, and he is likely to pay you off on the river with a weak hand for only one more bet. I think this is kind of similar, you don't want to slow this guy down with a flop raise. I somtimes wait until the river, but usually there are a lot of river cards that will slow you down from wanting to raise top pair.

[tiltaholic]

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3-bet PF, raise the turn. Call down if 3-bet. When a tilting 35/18 LAG raises preflop you need to get more bets in postflop with TPVGK.

Rob

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yeah. i can totally see that. i am too concerned with them "not folding" these days.

i love that avatar.

[Redd]

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it did improve AQ [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

question: why wait 'til the turn? to get more money?

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I was thinking he's likely drawing to <=3 outs, and will likely show down. So get more value from the big street