15-30 @ Wynn

I've lurked on this board for a while and appreciate all the good information you guys provide.

Here is a hand I played last week that I'm still thinking about. I moved from playing limit hold'em to Omaha exclusively about 8 months ago and only recently have dedicated myself to bettering my hold'em game.

15-30 at Wynn, 7 handed. Game is typical.

I am in the SB with 10-7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] , its folded around to the button who raises. He could have a wide range of hands here, he raises often in late position.

I call as does the BB (he is unknown and has only been at the table of a half hour or so and hasn't got involved in any pots.)

Flop is 10-6-2 off. I check with the intent of isolating the button with a raise.

The BB leads out. This throws me off, the button just calls, this throws me off even more. I feel like the BB has a 10-J, 9-10 type hand maybe a better 10 than that. The Button must have 2 overs.

What now? Should I continue with my Check raise, Call, Fold?

No one has anything for me?

[DcifrThs]

he can easily have a smaller pair putting the button on a huge range of hands and you on nothing since you checked.

either c'r and bet or call and donk bet the turn.

i like a c'r.

Barron

[2ndGoat]

looks like a checkraise to me, without a true read from previous play that BB has a better T.

I $hit on myself and called (I now feel this was the worst option).

The turn brought a 6, it was checked around and the river was an A, it was checked around again and the button showed AJ off, the big blid had J9s.

It's clear from the results that I should have stuck with my plan to C'R the flop.

I just wanted some input if I should have done it when the unknown player bet out.

Thanks for the help.

-Kyle

[Jeffage]

Your only play preflop is to fold or reraise, and I lean towards folding. Calling and letting the BB in cheap is incorrect. If your opponent plays decent (or aggressively, playing this hand out of position after you 3 bet pre may be tough---plus your hand isn't that strong). I'd rather fold. Since you called, I liked your flop idea, but once there is a bet and call, you are prob drawing to 3 outs or less. Esp. since the flop is rainbow. Get out.

Jeff

[TStoneMBD]

so you think its never correct to coldcall from the sb against a button raise?

[TStoneMBD]

after the bb leads out you really need to put together a line that involves other than check-calling all 3 streets. thats just bad poker and it costed you the pot here. if you decide to just call the flop then you need to lead the turn, but checkraising the bb is the best play of them all. bb could have more hands than just having you beat. if he is that tight that he will only lead into a button raise with a strong hand then you should be able release if he 3bets you on the flop or raises you on the turn. by investing an extra bet on this flop, it gives you a chance to get away from the hand if more aggression is shown. it also lets you extract value and protect your hand on following streets when you are ahead and it would have gotten checked through. even if you think that investing an extra bet on the flop is -ev because you are behind >50% of the time you should still do it because that bet is made up by the other advantages mentioned. you have to assume that even if the equity in your bet is -ev, its only by a very, very small margin and your equity in that bet has to be 90%+. add in the other factors and its >100%.

[Jeffage]

I think this is rarely correct. If you're intent on playing here, a raise is pretty beneficial. If the flops come ace high you will bet and can easily get a better hand to fold, whereas if you call it will be tough to make money if you miss.

There are some spots where I could see calling out of the SB in this spot to be an option*you know BB will call either way or button plays weakly postflop or BB appears ready to fold or just to mix it up with a suited connector or whatever). I just prefer raising. But in this hand..I prefer folding before the flop. 10-9s, maybe I reraise. Would you say this would be a clear preflop fold in a 20-40 game?

Jeff

[TStoneMBD]

whether i play the T7s here and how i play it depends on a whole lot of factors, mainly my perception of the BB, whether i want him in because hes terrible or if i want him out. another factor in deciding to coldcall here is whether i think it magnifies my advantage against the button's play in comparison to a 3bet.

however, the reason why i asked such a trivial question as to whether you always 3bet out of the small blind or not is because i dont think its fair of you to state that he should be 3betting or folding here as a fact. there are alot of people who prefer coldcalling with these hands in alot of situations, so of course we can turn this thread into a discussion of whether coldcalling is better than 3betting, but to say that coldcalling is wrong is wrong in itself.

as for me personally, i am pretty much a 3bet or fold type of guy, but im evolving from that a bit.