River decision with TPGK

kong98 · #1 08-30-2005, 02:39 AM

This is from a Party 10+1, no reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tournament ($10 buy-in), blinds (t10/t15) (9 handed) link

SB ($770.00)
BB ($625.00)
UTG ($285.00)
Hero ($800.00)
MP2 ($1310.00)
MP3 ($730.00)
CO ($1645.00)
Button ($1050.00)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero calls $15.00, 2 folds, CO calls $15.00, 1 folds, SB calls $5.00, checks.

Flop: ($45.00) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, checks, Hero checks, CO bets $15.00, SB calls $15.00, folds, Hero calls $15.00.

Turn: ($90.00) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $75.00, CO calls $75.00, SB raises to $225.00, Hero calls $150.00, CO calls $150.00.

River: ($765.00) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $300.00, Hero ???

I think he's got the king at this point. There are no real draws, and I don't think he raises the turn with QJ.

There are 6 hands I beat, 5 that beat me, and 1 I tie with. Do I call this (Leaving me with 245)? Push for 545? Play differently earlier?

Thanks,
Kent

Bluff Daddy · #2 08-30-2005, 02:53 AM

fold preflop, fold flop, the turn bet seems fine to me but you have to fold to the reraise, easy fold on river imo

jt1 · #3 08-30-2005, 02:57 AM

turn check raises = monster! Now you know [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Preflop, theres no hard rule about folding here, but it's not a bad idea. On the other hand, I don't think limping is -EV (if you can fold to turn check raises)

Flop, You can peel one off for just 15.

ChuckNorris · #4 08-30-2005, 03:02 AM

You're pretty certainly up against 2-pair or a set. Fold the turn.

Calling preflop is pretty questionable, but if you play well postflop, it's probably a good limp. Since you play in the 10+1's, and the way this hand went, you probably aren't that good though. No offense [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

On the flop it's a clear call with those pot odds and a 6-outer.

mlagoo · #5 08-30-2005, 09:26 AM

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On the flop it's a clear call with those pot odds and a 6-outer.

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Uh, really? 5:1 for 6 outs? Not to mention the reverse implied odds (in other words, exactly what happened here). Limp PF is fine, fold this on the flop, barring that, fold the turn after the RR, barring that, call the river (too many chips in the pot).

se2schul · #6 08-30-2005, 10:17 AM

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fold preflop, fold flop, the turn bet seems fine to me but you have to fold to the reraise, easy fold on river imo

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Don't fold this PF. People are willing to go broke in a $11 SNG with KJ, KT or really any K. If there's no raising PF, I usually play KQ as though it's AK. So in this case, would you call the river with AK? If so I think you should call with KQ.

kong98 · #7 08-30-2005, 01:32 PM

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Since you play in the 10+1's, and the way this hand went, you probably aren't that good though. No offense [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Heh... none taken. I felt pretty stupid after this hand! [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

Thanks for the help guys. I appreciate it.

schwza · #8 08-30-2005, 01:52 PM

i'd fold pre-flop, but i think limping is probably fine. that's a really bad call on the flop, imo. paying to draw to outs that may or may not be good sucks.

it's tough, but i bet-fold the turn.

once you get there and the flush draw didn't come home, i call the river.

jt1 · #9 08-30-2005, 01:59 PM

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once you get there and the flush draw didn't come home, i call the river.

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How likely do you think that turn check raiser was on a diamond draw? I forget what buyin this way but do you see delayed check raise semi-bluffs often?

ChuckNorris · #10 08-30-2005, 10:22 PM

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On the flop it's a clear call with those pot odds and a 6-outer.

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Uh, really? 5:1 for 6 outs? Not to mention the reverse implied odds (in other words, exactly what happened here). Limp PF is fine, fold this on the flop, barring that, fold the turn after the RR, barring that, call the river (too many chips in the pot).

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Ok, maybe it's not all that "clear", but I do think that the implied odds work more in your favor as long as you have some skillz, justifying the call.