I bet...

Jason Strasser · #1 08-30-2005, 02:04 AM

Many posters here would improve if they stopped check raising when they were in spots where their opponents were not pot committed. Lead lotsa flops with different hands, check call-lead the turn, etc. Too many MTTers CR CR CR CR CR CR and most of the time there are better, stronger, alternatives.

Lloyd · #2 08-30-2005, 02:09 AM

Example . . .

LethalRose · #3 08-30-2005, 02:12 AM

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A.
3 folds, MP2 raises to t300, 2 folds, Button calls t300, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1800, MP2 calls t1500, Button calls t1500.

Flop: (t5475) 4, 8, 9 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t2400, Button raises to t5250, Hero raises to t5987, MP2 folds, Button calls t5275 (All-In).

Turn: (t24387) T (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t24387) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Lloyd · #4 08-30-2005, 02:14 AM

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A.
3 folds, MP2 raises to t300, 2 folds, Button calls t300, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1800, MP2 calls t1500, Button calls t1500.

Flop: (t5475) 4, 8, 9 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t2400, Button raises to t5250, Hero raises to t5987, MP2 folds, Button calls t5275 (All-In).

Turn: (t24387) T (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t24387) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

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What are you trying to demonstrate with this hand?

LethalRose · #5 08-30-2005, 02:14 AM

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A.
3 folds, MP2 raises to t300, 2 folds, Button calls t300, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1800, MP2 calls t1500, Button calls t1500.

Flop: (t5475) 4, 8, 9 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t2400, Button raises to t5250, Hero raises to t5987, MP2 folds, Button calls t5275 (All-In).

Turn: (t24387) T (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t24387) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

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What are you trying to demonstrate with this hand?

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I thought this is the hand he was refering too?

Jman28 · #6 08-30-2005, 02:15 AM

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A.
3 folds, MP2 raises to t300, 2 folds, Button calls t300, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1800, MP2 calls t1500, Button calls t1500.

Flop: (t5475) 4, 8, 9 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t2400, Button raises to t5250, Hero raises to t5987, MP2 folds, Button calls t5275 (All-In).

Turn: (t24387) T (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t24387) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

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What are you trying to demonstrate with this hand?

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I thought this is the hand he was refering too?

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Definitely not.

Jason Strasser · #7 08-30-2005, 02:16 AM

Uhh did I play this hand? what? This looks like a spot where u got him pot committed on the flop... A good play but not what i was referring to really.

-Jason

Jason Strasser · #8 08-30-2005, 02:16 AM

Examples of hands where I didn't check raise?

Wow I told you this check-raising was a disease.

-Jason

Lloyd · #9 08-30-2005, 02:18 AM

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Examples of hands where I didn't check raise?

Wow I told you this check-raising was a disease.

-Jason

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Well, I was thinking an example of a hand often check-raised but where another line might be better.

LethalRose · #10 08-30-2005, 02:20 AM

I think what jason is refering to is players who will checkraise a small stacked opponent, not taking into account they are pot commited. And doing this with air. Very bad..