Is this call down too weak? Is it too loose?

Saint_D · #1 08-27-2005, 11:54 PM

Villains are your typical .5/1 crowd. Main villain is on his first orbit with us. So I don't know what to make of the raise. I shift into "loose the least, but don't give the donks much credit."

Party Poker 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (9 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, Button raises, SB calls, BB calls, MP2 calls, 1 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (11.00 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, Button raises, SB calls, BB folds, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

River: (13.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB.

#2 08-28-2005, 12:07 AM

I think the pot is too big to fold on the turn when closing the action. That being said, there are only two cards I want to see on teh river. Plus if button decided to bet on the river, you will once again get to see how everybody reacts first. What cards do you think the button is playing (not holding the K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img])? I am imagining JJ (after seeing the river play.)

crovax4444 · #3 08-28-2005, 02:15 AM

You said villian is unknown. I don't like the way he really took control of the hand. Depending on your reads on how likely the rest of the crowd would have stayed till the end would determine whether I called the bet or folded. If they would have called it, I would have seen the turn, otherwize fold

LoaferGee12 · #4 08-28-2005, 02:39 AM

How about some stop n go action on the turn, folding to a raise?

VoraciousReader · #5 08-28-2005, 03:15 AM

I think this is fine. I'm a little concerned that the pfr has us dominated, but that could also easily be a raise to narrow the field. You have top pair on a drawing kind of board. I'd want more action before I laid this down.

tyler_cracker · #6 08-28-2005, 04:39 AM

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How about some stop n go action on the turn, folding to a raise?

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I agree. Villain could be raising with a flush draw, QQ/JJ/TT, A9, or something else we beat. Betting out prevents giving a free card on a draw-heavy board.

If raised, i would call and re-evalute on the river. (edit: i don't know if i can fold to a turn raise of my donkbet -- as loafer suggests -- getting >13.5:1. Our outs are all dirty, but the pot is big enough to warrant a call on the river unless the callers wake up and go nuts).

irishpint · #7 08-28-2005, 04:50 AM

i lead the turn to prevent against giving a free card to a hand you are ahead of (JJ, QQ, clubs). I dont really expect to be raised here unless we're behind (however without a read on villian if he raises and it becomes heads up im calling down).

adsman · #8 08-28-2005, 05:05 AM

On the Turn you've got TPGK and a gutshot, with two players coasting along trying to hit their Ace. I bet hoping that villian will raise.

Donkey Kong · #9 08-28-2005, 05:36 AM

You have KTo with 2 limpers in front. You were almost guaranteed at least a 5 way pot if you entered. From what I know, thats a speculative hand at best in this situation. I'd strongly consider folding considering the fact KTo sucks in multiway pots. Any views on this?

Saint_D · #10 08-28-2005, 05:49 AM

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You have KTo with 2 limpers in front. You were almost guaranteed at least a 5 way pot if you entered. From what I know, thats a speculative hand at best in this situation. I'd strongly consider folding considering the fact KTo sucks in multiway pots. Any views on this?

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You have a good point. Other than the main villian, the other players were loose, passive and had a hard time finding the fold button. Basically I figured myself to have the best hand PF and know right where I was on the flop.

Which I pretty much did.

On the other hand, as you say, this is a speculative hand. I am getting great odds to go fishing with it. And since I called one bet, I have to call the raise I think.

Also, this table wasn't that loose on all the hands.

-D