this is not good...

Kimpan · #1 08-25-2005, 04:20 PM

this is such a typical hand for me... leaning on fold on turn.. but the straight-draw combined with the flush made me do it..

stats: 48/11.9/1.5 with a folded to blind steal of 0% after 67 hands..

how is it to steal with Q9o against this opponent?

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

Final Pot: 6 BB

baronzeus · #2 08-25-2005, 04:25 PM

how can you fold the turn with a flush draw a straight draw and a possibly live Q or 9?

Kimpan · #3 08-25-2005, 04:26 PM

I didn't because of these reasons..

BreakEvenPlayer · #4 08-25-2005, 04:27 PM

you should fold Q9o PF against this guy.

me454555 · #5 08-25-2005, 04:29 PM

If he's not folding to your raise, why are you raising pf?

baronzeus · #6 08-25-2005, 04:30 PM

Getting 7:1 on flop it's an easy flop call and getting 5:1 on the turn it's an easy turn call.

He's super aggro. He could raise you with a pretty good range here.

Kimpan · #7 08-25-2005, 04:33 PM

because I have a hand better than average, and he calls everything.. I probably have the best hand.

einbert · #8 08-25-2005, 04:35 PM

My estimate is that you have around 12 outs on the turn on average, giving you 26.7% equity. So folding the turn would have been a pretty hefty mistake, to the tune of something like -0.6 BB. I'm just saying folding the turn would have been really bad, it's not good that you almost did it.

The flop call is closer, but you have good implied odds on your gutshot and your Q outs and backdoor flush are frequently live.

Preflop is not exactly easy. I'm really not sure what to do preflop, but since this guy has a 0% folded BB to steal I am pretty inclined to just fold. Your hand has some quality, but you are out of position against an aggressive player, and that is generally very poor.

DMBFan23 · #9 08-25-2005, 04:36 PM

why not complete pf? you're unlikely to get raised unless he varies his play in these spots, and you should be getting pretty good implied odds since he's loose.

baronzeus · #10 08-25-2005, 04:36 PM

My favorite preflop/flop line is complete/bet. This works like a charm almost all of the time [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]