How's this line against the donking TAG? 5/10

krubban · #1 08-25-2005, 09:36 AM

Villain is 15.9/8.9/2.25 over 1200 hands.
I thought he might be testing me for an ace on the turn and therefore waited until the river. Good idea or fps?

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 4 folds, BB calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+2 folds.

Turn: (4.20 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.20 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises..

jskills · #2 08-25-2005, 09:58 AM

Well it's either raise the turn (and risk him folding) or take the line you did.

It looks as if you guaranteed a little more money out of the situation, since good players can easily fold to a turn raise when they know they're beat. Folding for one on the river is pretty hard in this spot for him.

I just hope he didn't turn a set or some crappy 2 pair ...

peterchi · #3 08-25-2005, 10:02 AM

I like it. I don't think I do this enough.

thesharpie · #4 08-25-2005, 10:07 AM

I like it. The only hands you're gonna knock out on the turn are ones that have few outs against you. You might induce those hands to call a river bet.

krubban · #5 08-25-2005, 11:39 AM

Thought I'd post the results. He had a raggy ace and probably would have folded to a turn raise since he seems to be solid.
I think this line may even make him just call a two pair on the river fearing i slowplayed AK.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 4 folds, BB calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+2 folds.

Turn: (4.20 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.20 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

Final Pot: 10.20 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has 2c Ac (one pair, aces).
Hero has Jd As (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 10.20 BB.

BigEndian · #6 08-25-2005, 11:44 AM

Put him on your 5/10 buddy list. He's going to make you some money with his horrible post flop play.

- Jim

krubban · #7 08-25-2005, 11:52 AM

I think villain should have folded to the river raise but do you really think his play was terrible before that?
Had i raised on the turn he would most likely have released.

If i was in his spot i probably would have thought it as a WA/WB situation and gone c/c c/c bet/f.
The results would still have been the same but how do you think villain should play his hand here?

BigEndian · #8 08-25-2005, 12:08 PM

His line cost him a lot when he's not best and win's him the little when he is. Betting into you on the turn gives you the chance to fold a worse hand.

I would have gone with the classic, C-C, C-C, B-F line. The flush draw on the board shouldn't bother him since we're heads-up.

And the call of your raise on the river is horrible unless he thinks you have boderline maniacal tendencies.

- Jim

#9 08-25-2005, 12:12 PM

I play mostly 2/4, but I think the donk bet from the blinds from reasonable player there usually does mean an ace. I'm usually too big of a pussy to raise the river, and I just let them bet my hand for me, and will only raise if I hit two pair. But they basically never fold on the river, I'm just not comfortable folding to a 3 bet.

krubban · #10 08-25-2005, 12:16 PM

Good reply bigendian, overlooked the fact that he gives me a chance to fold a worse hand on the turn there.