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mike l. · #1 08-25-2005, 05:17 AM

villain is 40/17/2

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (6 max, 10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 5 folds, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (7.66 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.83 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.83 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.83 BB

Mikey · #2 08-25-2005, 05:44 AM

mike I think it would be better if you could, put your opponnent on a range of hands.

For instance all in %'s

% he has an overpair
% he has a set
% he has a flush draw
% he is an idiot
% you think he's full of crap
% you will outdraw him
% he will lay his hand down - although I don't think this is too likely in a limit hold'em game.

What you sort of kind of did in your hand is put a big percentage allocation to

Flush draw and Full of Crap and AK.

have some of those guys that are good in math help you out in this one.

mike l. · #3 08-25-2005, 05:48 AM

30% he has an overpair (he probably wouldve capped it preflop w/ pocket pair) but he might have AQ or KQ.
3% he has a set (he'd probably slowplay it until the turn.
67% he has a flush draw
170% he is an idiot
130% you think he's full of crap

Mikey · #4 08-25-2005, 05:51 AM

then you played it EXPERTLY!!

Josh W · #5 08-25-2005, 06:07 AM

mike -

My gut instince was "fold preflop to an early raiser", then saw his stats and thought "well, if you can play it well post flop against a quasi-aggressive dude, go ahead and isolate".

And, honestly, I think that's the right advice. But if I just said "fold preflop", you'd likely reply with "are you insane? You are giving away too much if you fold this vs. this opponent" etc...and you'd be partially right.

I'm guessing you are posting this because you are curious about the proper way to play it, not to teach us here something.

If you don't know how to play it, then you probably can't play it well enough postflop to justify the preflop action.

Josh

BeerGolfPoker · #6 08-25-2005, 08:04 AM

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villain is 40/17/2

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (6 max, 10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 5 folds, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (7.66 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.83 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.83 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.83 BB

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Against this opponent I play it exactly the same way.

I think his most likely holding is a busted spade draw - big LAGs like to use the donk-3 bet line w/ a draw, and are much more likely to checkraise w/ a pair

So perhaps raising the turn and checking the river is another viable line, but I'd probably still play it as you did.

OrangeHeat · #7 08-25-2005, 08:36 AM

Perfect. Once in a while I will throw in a river raise against this type of guy. I am always amazed to look back and see he called it with as little as k high.

Orange

DpR · #8 08-25-2005, 10:35 AM

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Perfect. Once in a while I will throw in a river raise against this type of guy. I am always amazed to look back and see he called it with as little as k high.

Orange

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Thatis getting a little silly IMO.

Paluka · #9 08-25-2005, 11:02 AM

I think you are greatly overrating how bad a 40/17 guy is. I dislike your play on every street but the river.

Clarkmeister · #10 08-25-2005, 11:16 AM

I was thinking fold til I saw it was 6-handed. I dislike the flop raise. Raising the turn has merit. I like getting to showdown.