settle this holdem debate

A friend of mine was in a 30/60 holdem game. He has AsJs in BB. 2 limpers, late position guy raises. My friend calls, both limpers call. Flop is AxKsTs.

My friend checks, first limper bets, 2nd limper raises, original raiser 3-bets. My friend thinks for a few seconds, and mucks his hand.

He said he was as sure as he could be that he was up against QJ and a set, and that he didnt wanna pay 4 on the flop, and have to pay 3 or 4 more on turn if the board doesnt pair.

I rarely question my friends play, as he is probably the best limit holdem player ive played with, but in this case i think I would have called.

What do you guys think?

[Turning Stone Pro]

While I'll leave it to the math majors to calculate the proper odds, I wouldnt fold in that spot if you had a gun to my head.

TSP

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While I'll leave it to the math majors to calculate the proper odds, I wouldnt fold in that spot if you had a gun to my head.


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[shaniac]

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While I'll leave it to the math majors to calculate the proper odds, I wouldnt fold in that spot if you had a gun to my head.

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In order to accurately make this assesment, we need more information: How many bullets are in the gun, and how many chambers? How often will the gun misfire after you fold anyway (thereby making it a more clearly bad laydown)? Also, will the person holding the gun fire off a shot for sure, or is it possible he's just "bluffing"?

I'm too tired to do the math, but I'm pretty sure that, even with a gun to your head, this is a call.

[drbk2]

Cap the flop

[Lestat]

A truly horrific fold.

[bernie]

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A truly horrific fold.

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I'll be waiting for the OPs friends' justification that since he would have lost the hand anyways, he was right in folding.

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[bernie]

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I rarely question my friends play, as he is probably the best limit holdem player ive played with,

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I'd hate to see the worst player you've played with. Exactly what type of flop was he really hoping for when he called preflop? If he's going to fold on this flop, he shouldn't have even called preflop. Actually, he should just cash out and go to a smaller game.*

This is an easy call. Hell, if there were more in there he should be jamming it himself.

*Sounds like your friend is letting the money dictate his play a little. But it does sound cool when he can say he plays 30-60. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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I rarely question my friends play, as he is probably the best limit holdem player ive played with,

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I'd hate to see the worst player you've played with. Exactly what type of flop was he really hoping for when he called preflop? If he's going to fold on this flop, he shouldn't have even called preflop. Actually, he should just cash out and go to a smaller game.*

This is an easy call. Hell, if there were more in there he should be jamming it himself.

*Sounds like your friend is letting the money dictate his play a little. But it does sound cool when he can say he plays 30-60. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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I think your analysis is completely wrong. My friend rarely plays as low as 30/60, although he has been playing more lately as he says the 30/60 games are very good right now. Typically, he is playing anywhere from 60/120 to 200/400, so the money at 30/60 means nothing to him, but he does make many un-orthodox plays. A few days ago, in a similar 30/60 game I saw him put in the 4th bet on the turn heads up out of position with 8h9h on a Jh7h6x2x board, the board paired on the river and he led the river and the guy folded.

[damaniac]

So his analysis is wrong because...your friend plays higher limits? Or did you just switch thoughts midway through your post?