Turn: For Bettor, or worse?

callmedonnie · #1 08-20-2005, 03:52 AM

Reads: BB is 41/8/1.9 and UTG+1 is 23/0/.7

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, 6 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero ?

Do you take the free card? Remember, any diamond or ten looks to be 100% clean, and with 6 overs, even if you only count 3 that gives me 15 outs. Let me know.

Dariel86 · #2 08-20-2005, 04:05 AM

I'm betting this for sure

lwspoker69 · #3 08-20-2005, 07:48 AM

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TemetNosce · #4 08-20-2005, 08:23 AM

Bet the turn. If called and you don't improve on the river, check it down. That way you won't be bluffed off the pot by another missed draw.

Redd · #5 08-20-2005, 11:33 AM

I take the free card. BB's probably showing down, so your fold equity is very low. And I don't think UTG+1 has to fold to your bet very often to push this into -EV.

And with your relative position, you might be able to make up 2 bets on the river if BB leads again and you hit one of your more hidden outs, but pay zero when your draw doesn't hit.

hobbsmann · #6 08-20-2005, 01:06 PM

I like a bet here since it is still 3-handed and considering all of your outs a c/r really isn't going to bother you. Also, the times you get one of your opponents to fold by betting here you improve your chances of winning this hand UI on the river.

Bodhi · #7 08-20-2005, 01:46 PM

Bet. This is obvious, no?

Redd · #8 08-20-2005, 08:04 PM

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I don't understand why this is obvious. For what reason are you betting?

Harv72b · #9 08-20-2005, 08:23 PM

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I don't understand why this is obvious. For what reason are you betting?

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The bet is not just a semibluff; it's also for value. Ignoring the fact that on 2/4 Party it's very possible that neither opponent has a better hand yet (lots of draws on that flop, and plenty of people there will take any ace to showdown), Hero probably has somewhere on the order of 15-16 good outs on the turn (9 flush outs, 3 more straight outs, and his A or K outs are good fairly often as well). With 2 opponents and Hero sitting on a draw that will come in more than 1 in 3 times, not betting would be bad.

brettbrettr · #10 08-20-2005, 08:31 PM

I think BB has a pair.