KK, so much raising, so confused

2+2 Junkie · #1 08-19-2005, 12:45 AM

No read on button, other than somewhat tight and passive so far (15 hands or so)
BB is loose, but extremely passive post flop (AF under 1 after 67 hands).
The hand looked like a classic flush play by BB. I had no outs for a flush, and if I was up against trips (which is what I put button on), I had 1 out, due to the 3 to the flush on the board.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, BB calls, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, Button raises, BB calls, Hero folds.

River: (14.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Button bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 16.25 BB

fluxrad · #2 08-19-2005, 01:01 AM

I think you're looking for a reason to call to the river, but you didn't have one. You're behind a set at worst and a flush draw at best on the flop. The turn confirms you're beat.

I think you should fold to BB's bet on the turn.

SoftcoreRevolt · #3 08-19-2005, 01:21 AM

I'd cap that flop.

fluxrad · #4 08-19-2005, 01:26 AM

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How do you figure? What does button 3-bet that we have beat?

adsman · #5 08-19-2005, 01:46 AM

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How do you figure? What does button 3-bet that we have beat?

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A flush draw, TPTK, a bunch of other stuff if he misclicked. Cap the flop, raise the turn, fold to a 3 bet.

fluxrad · #6 08-19-2005, 02:03 AM

Button isn't 3-betting a flush draw here since he risks knocking out BB and UTG by facing them w/ two bets back (~7.5:1 as opposed to 14:1). I think the only thing he's 3-betting here is a set or maybe KQ or QJ suited.

Also, BB called the two back and led the turn. Raising the turn against these two is hemmoraging cash.

#7 08-19-2005, 02:13 AM

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Button isn't 3-betting a flush draw here since he risks knocking out BB and UTG by facing them w/ two bets back (~7.5:1 as opposed to 14:1). I think the only thing he's 3-betting here is a set or maybe KQ or QJ suited.

Also, BB called the two back and led the turn. Raising the turn against these two is hemmoraging cash.

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This would be more true if BB/UTG didn't already bet/call. Since they bet/call, they obviously have a piece of the board (or at least have shown some interest in it), and are more unlikely to fold to 2 bets as compared to if they checked the flop.

Not capping the flop is pretty weak tight. AQ is 3betting this all day.

fluxrad · #8 08-19-2005, 02:15 AM

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Not capping the flop is pretty weak tight. AQ is 3betting this all day.

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AQ also 3-bets preflop. I'll have to think more about capping the flop, but I'm 99% sure after Button's 3-bet that hero's behind.

#9 08-19-2005, 02:18 AM

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Not capping the flop is pretty weak tight. AQ is 3betting this all day.

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AQ also 3-bets preflop. I'll have to think more about capping the flop, but I'm 99% sure after Button's 3-bet that hero's behind.

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Some players prefer not 3betting AQ preflop -- I used to not do so.

TomBrooks · #10 08-19-2005, 02:33 AM

Fold was probably OK. Button looks like he has two pair or better on the flop. If it was a flush draw, it came in. But it looks to me like you might as well fold to the first turn bet. Why call the first one when whatever button has he still has?