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Old 08-18-2005, 10:40 AM
Pudge714 Pudge714 is offline
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Default Should I take the Pot Odds or wait for ICM

7 handed 500/1000 Blinds 125 Ante
Hero dealt (7s 7h)
CO approx 15k
Button approximately 15k
Hero 6k
CO Raises to 3000
Button Calls
SB Fold
Hero ?

Is this an auto push, even though I have no folding equity, and could be against two callers with four overcards. [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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Old 08-18-2005, 10:43 AM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default Re: Should I take the Pot Odds or wait for ICM

do you mean wait for itm? what is situtaion in tournament?

i'm inclined to push here.
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Old 08-18-2005, 10:45 AM
fnurt fnurt is offline
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Default Re: Should I take the Pot Odds or wait for ICM

Well, if you're worried about what you "could" be against, you could be up against AA and the other two sevens. Wouldn't that suck!

As short as your stack is, you should be thrilled with an even money proposition, and you are probably a little better than even money here. You definitely have to play.

Since you have no folding equity, whether you should raise depends on whether you will close the action. If your raise would reopen the action, I'd raise on the off chance that someone else will pop it again, leaving you heads up with some dead money in the pot. If your raise would close the action, you should just call and then push on the flop. There is no real downside, and if you get a hand like 88 or 99 to fold because big cards came out, that's a huge gain of EV. Not to mention, your flop bet will make CO nervous about the squeeze play.
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Old 08-18-2005, 10:46 AM
ansky451 ansky451 is offline
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Default Re: Should I take the Pot Odds or wait for ICM

I push and hope the original raiser reraises all in to isolate with AQ or AK.
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Old 08-18-2005, 10:52 AM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default Re: Should I take the Pot Odds or wait for ICM

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Since you have no folding equity, whether you should raise depends on whether you will close the action. If your raise would reopen the action, I'd raise on the off chance that someone else will pop it again, leaving you heads up with some dead money in the pot. If your raise would close the action, you should just call and then push on the flop. There is no real downside, and if you get a hand like 88 or 99 to fold because big cards came out, that's a huge gain of EV. Not to mention, your flop bet will make CO nervous about the squeeze play.


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i disagree. i don't think you want to let the guy who misses get away without giving you the extra 3k. it's true that if he has 6 outs you'd prefer he'd be gone on the flop. but the pfr will sometimes have A6 or 56, and sometimes the two guys will share a card, so the guy who'd fold would only add 0 or 3 outs to dodge. and often times you're way behind, so you want to sweeten up the pot for those times you do spike a 2-outer.

and i don't think you're ever folding out 88 unless maybe the board is AKQ, and you're beat then anyway.
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