extracting chips with the best hand

se2schul · #1 08-18-2005, 10:24 AM

I flop quads, now what?
How do I go about inducing bluffs of making it look like I'm bluffing, or just basically building the pot with suckers' money? [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

I have a feeling that I should've bet the flop, because often in a .5/1 people who flop trips or better will check the flop and bet/raise the turn.

Do I have to get tricky with .5/1 opponents?
All strategies and suggestions are appreciated.

Steve

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 4 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, BB folds, UTG calls, MP3 folds.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (5.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB

jrz1972 · #2 08-18-2005, 10:27 AM

1. Learn how to use the coverter.

2. Quit spamming the board.

3. Checking the turn is awful beyond words.

MrWookie47 · #3 08-18-2005, 10:31 AM

A couple things. One, bet the turn. It looks like the one guy who hung around caught something, and he's happy to call you. If you never, ever slowplayed anything, you'd be making a near-negligible mistake, but slowplaying too much will cost you a lot more.

Two, if every time you flopped quads, you ended up missing two BB in value, it would have a meaningless effect on your win rate. This situation comes up so infrequently that its impact on your BB/100 is insignificant. It's much more profitable to turn your attention to the marginal situations you encounter every single time you sit down and play.

deception5 · #4 08-18-2005, 10:33 AM

If the board was complete rags I might play it the same way hoping to induce a river bet which I could raise, but on this board you should just bet/bet/bet.

se2schul · #5 08-18-2005, 10:34 AM

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1. Learn how to use the coverter.

2. Quit spamming the board.

3. Checking the turn is awful beyond words.

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1. already edited and done

2. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

3. ya I know... I'm not posting it to show off my stellar play. How about some advice?

GrunchCan · #6 08-18-2005, 10:35 AM

I remember what it was like when I thought the key to winning poker was tricking the opponent and making heroic reads & laydowns. I guess we all go through this. It's like that Expedia commercial where the tourist is in vegas playing 5-card draw (?) and is dealt quad A with a K and pushes his stack in. That, apparently, is poker?

I might be grumpy, and I tend to ramble when I'm grumpy.

Here's something for you to noodle around, and I'm quite serious. If you open-folded when you flopped quads, it wouldn't really matter.

How do you get value for a good hand? You bet. Let the fish get tricky. Your turn check only resulted in the pot being smaller than it should have been.

se2schul · #7 08-18-2005, 10:37 AM

Thanks for the replies. This limit ring stuff is quite a bit different than NL...

GrunchCan · #8 08-18-2005, 10:43 AM

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Thanks for the replies. This limit ring stuff is quite a bit different than NL...

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Well, I'm not yet an expert at NL, but I'd say the same holds true there. Checking any street with this hand is an error in NL, too. If he has a hand he's going to fold to a small bet with, he isn't going to take that same hand and bluff you big with it, generally.

Poker is about making good decisions, not about outrageous bluffs (either making or inducing) and brilliant reads.

se2schul · #9 08-18-2005, 10:51 AM

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Here's something for you to noodle around, and I'm quite serious. If you open-folded when you flopped quads, it wouldn't really matter.

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Is this because I'll flop quads so rarely in my poker career that any earnings will be insignificant compared to earning from all my lesser hands? I'd also imagine that you're typically less likely to get action when you hit quads on a JJT board compared to action you get on a completely uncoordinated board (or maybe you're just less likely to get action when you play it like a donk as I did).

GrunchCan · #10 08-18-2005, 10:53 AM

Excellent deduction. You hit the 2 nails right on the head:

1) You don't get such good hands often enough to matter, and
2) You have every card that matters, so ironically when you get these great hands, they are hard to make any real $ with.