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Old 08-18-2005, 10:14 AM
se2schul se2schul is offline
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Default Flop top 2 pair

I flopped top 2 pair, but the turn brought a third heart and the villain led out. Do I let go of top 2 pair or call down as I did? Note: in this position, I'll often fold AT PF but decided to play it this time.

Sorry for raw HH... Bison's converter isn't working properly. I'm using it from http://www.selachian.com/tools/bison...converter.cgi. If there's another working version of the converter, please let me know.

***** Hand History for Game 2555353301 *****
$0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Thursday, August 18, 09:58:59 EDT 2005
Table Table 25356 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 6: se2schul ( $25 )
Seat 2: Trooper242 ( $14.37 )
Seat 7: mdje05 ( $21.50 )
Seat 4: mndpwr ( $27.75 )
Seat 5: maromija ( $20.25 )
Seat 1: uhear ( $25.25 )
Seat 3: wscott123 ( $24.50 )
Seat 9: tcrr2004 ( $5 )
Seat 8: tapeworm77 ( $27.50 )
Seat 10: AkitaManiYo ( $25 )
mndpwr posts small blind [$0.25].
maromija posts big blind [$0.50].
tcrr2004 posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to se2schul [ Td As ]
se2schul calls [$0.50].
mdje05 folds.
tapeworm77 calls [$0.50].
tcrr2004 raises [$0.50].
uhear calls [$1].
Trooper242 folds.
wscott123 folds.
mndpwr calls [$0.75].
maromija calls [$0.50].
se2schul calls [$0.50].
tapeworm77 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2h, Th, Ac ]
mndpwr checks.
maromija bets [$0.50].
se2schul raises [$1].
tcrr2004 folds.
uhear folds.
mndpwr calls [$1].
maromija calls [$0.50].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5h ]
mndpwr bets [$1].
maromija calls [$1].
se2schul calls [$1].
** Dealing River ** [ 7c ]
mndpwr bets [$1].
maromija folds.
se2schul calls [$1].
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Old 08-18-2005, 10:21 AM
jrz1972 jrz1972 is offline
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Default Re: Flop top 2 pair

Raise or fold PF.

The rest is fine. Folding the turn or river would be awful.
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Old 08-18-2005, 10:23 AM
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Default Re: Flop top 2 pair

Remove the word "texas " from the beginning of the hand history to get the converter to work properly.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $0.50.
Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 (poster) raises</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls, MP1 folds.

Flop: (11 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB
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Old 08-18-2005, 10:30 AM
se2schul se2schul is offline
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Default Re: Flop top 2 pair

[ QUOTE ]
Raise or fold PF.

The rest is fine. Folding the turn or river would be awful.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd prefer to fold this PF in the future. Is raising the turn or river an option?

Also, thanks to the other poster for the info about fixing the converter.
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Old 08-18-2005, 10:37 AM
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Default Re: Flop top 2 pair

I would at least consider raising the turn, yes.
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Old 08-18-2005, 10:48 AM
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Default Re: Flop top 2 pair

Open-limping preflop with a TP-type hand is bad. Open for a raise or fold.

I woulnd't raise either the turn or river, becasue I don't want to reopen the betting. I think we'll get 3-bet more often than called. Show this hand down cheaply.
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Old 08-18-2005, 11:38 AM
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Default Re: Flop top 2 pair

I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] folding preflop.

I think we're ahead of Ax way more often than we're behind a flush here. I like raising the turn, calling down if he 3-bets.

I want value from his Ax, damnit.
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Old 08-18-2005, 11:46 AM
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Default Re: Flop top 2 pair

I don't play this UTG in a 10-handed game unless I have excellent reads on the majority of my opponents, and then I am raising when I come in.

Depending on my opponent, I'll usually pop a raise on the turn as well, but call down to further aggression. You could easily see an offsuit A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Broadway x here.
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Old 08-18-2005, 12:23 PM
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Default Re: Flop top 2 pair

A bunch of people have already said it, but I fold this pf.

I would consider raising the river. You are probably not up against a flush (I'd expect to be check raised) but I wouldn't want to raise the turn and stop him from bluffing.

EDIT: With 3 people in on the turn, I actually like raising the turn.
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