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Old 08-16-2005, 04:47 PM
Paxosmotic Paxosmotic is offline
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Default Flopped Set - When to slow down

I played this hand tonight and thought it would be interesting to see when you'd slow down with a flopped set. I have 949 hands on Villain at this level. He's 19.18/10.54/2.31. He's an attractive and thinking TAG who seems to be playing well below his bankroll and is consistently outplaying the table. Villain seems to have an advanced knowledge of poker theory and is very good at putting his opponents on a hand, as well as finding good opportunities to bluff. All in all, Villain might be the greatest 1/2 player in the history of... alright, it's me. I am the Villain in this hand. From Hero's perspective, when do you slow down here? Also, what does Villain have?

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Preflop:Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Villain 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, Villain calls, CO calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Villain raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Villain caps</font>, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (12.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Villain raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Villain caps</font>, CO calls, Hero calls.

River: (24.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Villain raises</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Villain caps</font>, Hero calls.

<font color="white">I bet/call the turn and check/call the river. </font> &lt;- My answer.
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Old 08-16-2005, 04:50 PM
baronzeus baronzeus is offline
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Default Re: Flopped Set - When to slow down

AK is as likely as AA here.

I bet call turn and check-raise river sometimes, and sometimes 3bet turn and check call if capped.
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Old 08-16-2005, 04:50 PM
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Default Re: Flopped Set - When to slow down

Don't slow down before the river. Check/call the river.

Brad
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Old 08-16-2005, 04:53 PM
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Default Re: Flopped Set - When to slow down

i'd 3-bet the turn, and, seeing the cap, check call the river.

but maybe bet-calling the river is ok.
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Old 08-16-2005, 05:03 PM
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Default Re: Flopped Set - When to slow down

Given what I know of the villain, I cap every street confident that I'm gonna draw the fourth K and perpetuate the villain's downswing.
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Old 08-16-2005, 05:05 PM
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Given what I know of the villain, I cap every street confident that I'm gonna draw the fourth K and perpetuate the villain's downswing.

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I can't hear you, your avatar is making too much noise.

Interesting to see so many people keep the pedal clear to the metal on the turn (anyone 3-betting is saying to cap it because there's almost zero chance it doesn't get capped with the villain this excited about his hand).
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Old 08-16-2005, 05:09 PM
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Default Re: Flopped Set - When to slow down

Nice read. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I'd call the river and collect the overcall from CO. He could have AK, but this looks like none other than AA.
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Old 08-16-2005, 05:10 PM
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I can't hear you, your avatar is making too much noise.

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For sake of argument though, I slow down around the turn raise. Until I river the K, of course.
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Old 08-16-2005, 05:12 PM
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Default Re: Flopped Set - When to slow down

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AK is as likely as AA here.

I bet call turn and check-raise river sometimes, and sometimes 3bet turn and check call if capped.

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Make sure at least 5 bets go in on the turn and river, and possibly 6.
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Old 08-16-2005, 05:17 PM
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Default Re: Flopped Set - When to slow down

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AK is as likely as AA here.

I bet call turn and check-raise river sometimes, and sometimes 3bet turn and check call if capped.

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Make sure at least 5 bets go in on the turn and river, and possibly 6.

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Hero's turn bet : "I have a monster, whee!"
Villain's turn raise : "That's [censored] outstanding, I don't care."
Hero : "Oh. Uh. Hmm."

I just don't see Hero having more than about .47% equity after Villain's turn raise.
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