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Old 08-12-2005, 11:28 PM
Schizo Schizo is offline
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Default I have top pair, but that river is killing me

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 4 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, UTG calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

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Old 08-13-2005, 12:19 AM
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Default Re: I have top pair, but that river is killing me

I think this is a really easy fold. You beat only a pure bluff, a worse Ten (and there aren't many), or a very weird line by an underpair. The donkbet on the flop screams draw.

On subsequent hands I would be conscious that others might try taking shots at me with scare cards.
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Old 08-13-2005, 12:33 AM
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Default Re: I have top pair, but that river is killing me

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The donkbet on the flop screams draw.

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Except no flop draws made it.
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Old 08-13-2005, 12:37 AM
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Default Re: I have top pair, but that river is killing me

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The donkbet on the flop screams draw.

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Except no flop draws made it.

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A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] sure as hell made it.
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Old 08-13-2005, 12:42 AM
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Default Re: I have top pair, but that river is killing me

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The donkbet on the flop screams draw.

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Except no flop draws made it.

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I can see a donk doing this with a 6 and a flushdraw. Or a 6 and an overcard.
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Old 08-13-2005, 12:43 AM
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Default Re: I have top pair, but that river is killing me

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The donkbet on the flop screams draw.

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Except no flop draws made it.

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A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] sure as hell made it.

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OK, one out of many possible draws made it. I call at 12.5:1 with top pair 4-handed.
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Old 08-13-2005, 08:51 PM
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Default Re: I have top pair, but that river is killing me

Entity so you call or fold?
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Old 08-13-2005, 09:12 PM
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Default Re: I have top pair, but that river is killing me

Meh, it's close. You can call getting 12.5:1 odds and scream [censored] when he flips over 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], or you can fold and wonder if you got bluffed out. The thing is the answer to this question depends so much on the read of the player. If he hasn't done anything like this before and you've been at the table at least a couple of orbits, it might be a fold.
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Old 08-13-2005, 09:18 PM
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Default Re: I have top pair, but that river is killing me

I will call here, expect to lose many times, but get some good notes on my villain.
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Old 08-13-2005, 10:09 PM
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I check the river/call.
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