Pushing More Often - AA hand fairly standard

#1 08-12-2005, 07:35 PM

I'm trying to implement the push more often in my game when I have a monster or a lock in situations that a lesser hand is likely to pay me off. Was this one of those situations?

6 Handed Starts .25/.50 NL
Hero has AA utg.

CO open raises to 2.50
Button Calls 2.50
Hero Raises to 7.50
Both Call.

Pot has about 23$ in it
QT8 suits unimportant.

I push. I'm very confident that a Q will look me up here - I felt really good about this play. Can someone include some similar examples?

Tears

amoeba · #2 08-12-2005, 07:38 PM

raise a bit more preflop.

and you should give stacksizes in your post.

#3 08-12-2005, 07:40 PM

All relevant stacks were about equal size. Bison's wasn't working. Are you content with taking this down preflop?

vector · #4 08-12-2005, 07:46 PM

I'm confident a Q would be more likely to call a pot size bet and then call the rest on the turn. Pair + gutshot hands probably would too.

The only hands that will definitely call an all-in are those that currently beat you. Just imagine to yourself that you have already gone all-in, but then put it in in pot size increments on each street. It will make you more money in the long run - despite the times when some crazy draw makes it that you feel would have folded to an all-in on the flop.

(I assumed effective stack size of $50 for this - you really need to post the stack sizes so that people understand the situation. For instance if you acually had $30 then I agree with your play 100%. If you had $1000 I 100% disagree).

kongo_totte · #5 08-12-2005, 07:46 PM

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All relevant stacks were about equal size. Bison's wasn't working. Are you content with taking this down preflop?

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Yes. Equal to what?

I also raise more pre-flop, especially if you are gonna open push the flop. If stacks are 100XBB you actually give them proper set odds, even if it's just barely.

One other reason I raise more pre-flop is that at these levels I am used to gettin called if I make it $9-10.

amoeba · #6 08-12-2005, 07:48 PM

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All relevant stacks were about equal size. Bison's wasn't working. Are you content with taking this down preflop?

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no I'm not but if stacks are deep enough I'll be glad to call an additional 5 to stack an obvious preflop monster.

The fact that they both called your reraise would indicate that they aren't that tight and 1 of them would likely call a bigger raise.

#7 08-12-2005, 07:49 PM

Sorry about that, I'm definitely not giving enough info in my posts! I hope Bison's gets back up soon.

All had around 60bb.

jbrock · #8 08-12-2005, 07:59 PM

If everyone had about 60bb and you raised it to 15bb preflop with two callers, there is 45bb in the pot and everyone has 45bb behind. Your "push" is simply a potsized bet. Standard. This is why stack sizes matter. Your raise from 5bb to 15bb (10 more to call) gave your opponents insufficient odds to draw to the set.

#9 08-12-2005, 08:02 PM

I'll clarify stack sizes in my next post. Just a pain that the converter is currently down.

pokerjoker · #10 08-12-2005, 08:07 PM

Villan (victim) was a calling station fish. I had been playing pretty aggressive the past 2 rounds and got caught once or twice, he has started calling me down with shyiiit.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter

SB ($195.05)
BB ($200)
UTG ($198)
Hero ($192.95)
MP1 ($222.45)
MP2 ($616.82)
MP3 ($578.80)
CO ($81.65)
Button ($316.60)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, Hero raises to $7, 4 folds, Button calls $7, 1 fold, BB calls $5.

Flop: ($22) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets $15, Hero raises to $30, Button folds, BB calls $15.

Turn: ($82) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $50, BB calls $50.

River: ($182) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero calls $105.95 (All-In), BB calls $105.95.

Final Pot: $393.90

Villan shows K7