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Old 03-25-2003, 07:13 PM
Bob T. Bob T. is offline
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Default AQ suited on the button.

Loose aggressive CP 6-12 game. 4 limpers to me on the button, with A [img]/forums/images/icons/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/forums/images/icons/heart.gif[/img] .

I raise, BB, and all the limpers call. (12 small bets)

Flop, Q [img]/forums/images/icons/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/forums/images/icons/club.gif[/img] . No back door flush for me.

Checked to me, I bet, two EP limpers call, Loose aggressive player in MP checkraises, folded back to to me. I three bet, both EP fold, and MP reraises. I Call. (22 small bets).

Turn A [img]/forums/images/icons/spade.gif[/img]

MP bets, I have two pair, MP, could have a set, a straight, or two pair, I beat two pair, and have a couple of outs against the other two hands, I call.

River, 5 [img]/forums/images/icons/spade.gif[/img] .

MP bets, I call. Anyone do anything different here? fold to the four bet on the flop, or raise either the turn or river?

Results in the next post.
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Old 03-25-2003, 07:21 PM
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Default results.

My opponent had JT off, for a flopped straight, and won.

I thought that it was possible that he had as little as a queen for his checkraise, and when he fourbet, I thought that he had either a straight, a set or two pair. If he had two pair, I was getting 21 to 1 to take one off, and make either trips, or top two. When I made top two on the turn, I decided that I would just call him down, unless I filled on the river.

The pot was huge, and my opponent was aggressive, so I thought that I had some chance of winning with two pair, but maybe I should have worked out a way to fold.
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Old 03-25-2003, 08:58 PM
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Default Re: AQ suited on the button.

I don't like the flop 3-bet. If he is a maniac let him keep betting and if he is a reasonable player you are behind his most likely holdings. People who check/raise a bettor and 2 callers in big pots usually have a very good hand or a big draw. The only draw on the flop, JT, is already there.

I think I just call it down the whole way. Probably the worst hand he can have hear is 2 pair. Course I know the results, lol. [img]/forums/images/icons/cool.gif[/img]
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Old 03-26-2003, 07:57 AM
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Default Re: results.

The pot was huge, and my opponent was aggressive, so I thought that I had some chance of winning with two pair, but maybe I should have worked out a way to fold.

Don't fold top two pair in huge pots headsup against loose-aggressive opponents!
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Old 03-26-2003, 11:56 AM
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Default Re: AQ suited on the button.

I would raise the turn Bob. Take advantage of your position and get the extra bet in. Most players would wait until the turn to raise a straight or set so I’ll put him on two pair.
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Old 03-26-2003, 12:40 PM
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Default Re: AQ suited on the button.

I like your play. He is clearly telling you something by his aggressiveness on the flop. His check-raise on the flop says he's got a strong hand. I don't see him capping the flop with a preflop raiser in the hand with just a top pair of Queens although it is possible he has something like KQ. I would look at his probable holdings. 99 and 88 are common MP limping hands so he could have a set, JTo or JTs is a common MP holding so (as it turns out) he could have flopped the nuts. The only way I see a two pair for him is if he had 98s or something but it is not a likely MP limping hand (at least not as common as JT). It isn't likely he has an overpair to the flop giving his lack of a preflop raise. I could maybe see him having something like QJ and he is pumping the flop with top pair and a gutshot draw. The most logical holdings are 99,88,JT, with KQ or QJ being possible but a little less likely.

I like your turn and river play. You realize you are probably behind and you act accordingly. The Ace on the turn IMHO doesn't change a whole lot. You are still probably behind him and the best you can hope for is for one of you Ace or Queen outs to come on the river.



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Old 03-26-2003, 03:56 PM
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Default Re: AQ suited on the button.

I don't like the flop 3-bet.

I think that this three bet was almost mandatory. Checked to me on the button where I was the preflop raiser, I bet, showing that I still had $6 and two cards, the two guys up front call, and then the aggressive player raises, He might have as little as KQ here, or he might have a big hand. I want to eliminate the two players up front, in case my Queen is good, so that that hand can be played headsup from here on out, and I have fewer opponent outs in a nice sized pot.
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Old 03-26-2003, 04:09 PM
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Default Re: AQ suited on the button.

I must disagree. I don't think most players would wait till the turn to show aggression with a set or straight, not with three opponents. There's too much money to be made on the flop to postpone the collecting of the cash to the turn. I think if I flop a straight against 3 players, I'm jamming the pot harder than a male porn star jams a rookie doing her first flick. Same goes with a set.
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Old 03-26-2003, 04:18 PM
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Default ooops

I apologize, I misread it. I thought the limpers were gone when it was back to him. Of course you are correct, with 4 opponents he would pump it then.
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Old 03-26-2003, 04:56 PM
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Default Re: ooops

I agree with your play completely, but I think you have to fold to the turn bet if you don't catch an Ace or Queen, after he's 4-bet the flop.
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