Moving in on the turn

jskinn04 · #1 08-12-2005, 05:57 PM

I had recently been moved to this table and didn't have any info on the villain (MP 2). I made the all-in bet on the turn thinking that my opponent probably had K,J. I figured he would have raised with any of the high pairs, which would have been ahead of me. I did not consider KQ as one of his possible hands b/c I didn't think someone would call that large of a flop bet with an OESD. Did the guy make a loose call on the flop and there's nothing I could do, or should I have bet more? If you would have called my bet on that flop holding KQ, how much do I need to bet to get you to fold? Was I crazy to move all-in on the turn? From the preflop and flop action, do any of you think I was behind on the turn?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (10 handed) converter

UTG (t2170)
UTG+1 (t2785)
UTG+2 (t825)
MP1 (t825)
MP2 (t4140)
MP3 (t1495)
CO (t780)
Hero (t2090)
SB (t3760)
BB (t330)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP2 calls t50, 2 folds, Hero raises to t150, 1, BB raises t280, fold, MP2 calls t280, Hero calls t180.

Flop: (t735) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets t600, MP2 calls t600.

Turn: (t1935) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets t1160, MP2 calls t1160.

River: (t3095) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)

Final Pot: t4535

illegit · #2 08-12-2005, 06:06 PM

You're asking the wrong question if you're asking "how much do i need to ebt to get him to fold". If you just want him to fold because you think you have the best hand and are happy with taking the pot now then move in on the flop. Your actual bet size was fine though as if he calls he's not getting the right odds (implied odds included) to hit his straight on the turn. So he made a mistake. But it worked out for him.

Seadood228 · #3 08-12-2005, 06:12 PM

Agree with the other poster. If you plan on getting your chips in at some point with this hand, might as well do it on the flop. The great thing about that move is that you'll get called by a lot of hands that are drawing to few outs, but KQ just might fold... Well probably not [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

jskinn04 · #4 08-12-2005, 08:04 PM

Would you have moved in on the flop?

Seadood228 · #5 08-12-2005, 08:21 PM

Yes...

[edit] In reply to OPs question. Also I don't know if there is any amount that would get me to fold KQo..

jskinn04 · #6 08-12-2005, 08:45 PM

What about moving all-in preflop? Seriously, the big stack has had two opportunities to raise and not chosen to do so. This behavior suggests that he is either slowplaying AA/KK or he has a weak hand, (i.e. the KQo, he actually had). As a rough estimate, I'm guessing that he probably has a weak hand here 80% of the time. I think most of the time the villian will fold if I reraise all-in. This situation allows me to pay 280 chips in order to try to win 560. Against a desparate stack. I think I have huge folding equity because the big stack has passed up two opportunities to raise.