Pocket fives

Piper Tim · #1 08-12-2005, 11:16 AM

Third hand at the table. No reads. At least one calling station.

What's your decision and why in this situation?

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button raises, 1 fold, BB calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Button bets, BB calls, Hero? MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

#2 08-12-2005, 11:20 AM

Fold. You were raised preflop, and missed your set. 3 coordinated overcards on the board. your most probably beat.

hemstock · #3 08-12-2005, 11:24 AM

easy fold

MrWookie47 · #4 08-12-2005, 11:29 AM

If you're not folding these, I don't think you could possibly be a winning poker player, especially since it probably indicates a pattern of going to far with bad hands when the odds aren't there.

car ramrod · #5 08-12-2005, 11:39 AM

with that many players still in the hand you are beat by someone even if its not the pfr. You have to fold here.

Piper Tim · #6 08-12-2005, 11:44 AM

I did indeed fold here. Just wanted to make sure it was the right call.

GrunchCan · #7 08-12-2005, 11:50 AM

Actually, I think this is close to a call. We're gettign 12.5:1 expressed, and we are about 22.5:1 to spike a set on the next card. So in order for a call to be EV0, we would need to make up an implied odds difference of (22.5-12.5) 10 SB, or 5 BB on the turn and river. We'll certianly get 4 on the turn (bet, call, we raise, call, call), and virtually always at least 1 on the river. Plus there is an excellent chance that someone will call behind us on the flop, making a call here +EV.

I'll call this one flop bet, and fold the turn UI.

Aaron W. · #8 08-12-2005, 11:53 AM

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with that many players still in the hand you are beat by someone even if its not the pfr. You have to fold here.

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The preflop raise makes calling better, not worse.

GrunchCan · #9 08-12-2005, 11:54 AM

Right, if not for the PFR, there would probably not be implied odds enough to call.

MrWookie47 · #10 08-12-2005, 12:17 PM

I think getting two bets out of BB in this hand is a little optimistic. It's not too bad of an estimation, but he could just be peeling, planning to check/fold the turn. I'd also look for a little bit of extra padding for the times we're behind to QQ and JJ, or lose to a river straight. If the pot was 15 or 16 SB, I'd like the call a lot more.