Is this about right? J10s limp re-raise . . .

neon · #1 08-08-2005, 05:22 PM

I love to limp reraise, and I want to start using the move more often, but don't want to narrow my hand range down to two or so hands to allow the good players at the table to play optimally vs. that range. So I decided to start LRR'ing w/ a few hands aside from the obvious ones.

I know that the LRR in general works billions of times better w/ deep stacks, but in terms of capped buyin games, does this seem about right?

Pokerroom 10-20 NL. Full ring.

Probably my third orbit at the table. My image is reasonable. I (~$2,200) limp UTG w/ J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]10[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], donk (~$1,400) to my left calls, unknown villain (~$1,800) calls in MP, LP (~$1,550) calls, button (good player, I respect his play and vice versa, I think) raises to $130, w/ ~$2,700 behind. Blinds fold, I make it $399. Donk folds, villain (ever so aptly named "Lord Rock") calls (!), LP folds, button thinks and folds.

($1,035) Flop is A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I bet $1,000.

Comments?

lapoker17 · #2 08-08-2005, 05:31 PM

Check the flop - Tight guys get nervous when you LRR and check the flop. Then play it like you have AA.

Or you could lead weak, begging for a call - If he raises, you have to come over the top.

Big_Jim · #3 08-08-2005, 05:38 PM

Hopefully you fast play your sets and villian knows this.

Rocky villian probably has AA-QQ and maybe AKs in his range to call the LRR, since he doesn't have odds to try to flop a set.

Villian probably puts you on AA-QQ and AKs.

Villian folds KK and QQ here (6 combos), and pushes with AA, (3 combos) , and probably AKs (3 combos).

Looks like you can fold half of his range, which should make this play profitable. If you get any action, you're done.

I too have been trying to LRR more often, with limited success. The only times the hand ever really seems to go well is when I actually have the goods.

The biggest problem I've had with the LRR is that you are basically forced to put in a big continuation bet, which hasn't been profitable for me, thus far.

gomberg · #4 08-08-2005, 05:45 PM

I like the play. This LRR takes down the pot preflop a huge majority of the time in the games I play - and even if called, you can make a hand, or have a nice huge bluff (which probably has a good percentage of winning) vs. a medium pocket or high ace.

I don't know if I like it as much with a hand like JTs though. I'd rather have low cards or a pair, as a lot of hands that hit JTs will also hit whomever calls you - plus you can be put in some crappy situations... maybe I'm wrong with this.

neon · #5 08-08-2005, 05:46 PM

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villain (ever so aptly named "Lord Rock") calls (!)

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Sorry for being unclear, this was meant to be facetious.

Big_Jim · #6 08-08-2005, 05:47 PM

Oh yeah, and I don't really like the full pot bet on the flop, looks like a desparate KK. Bet like 2/3 the pot, it's more suspicious.

neon · #7 08-08-2005, 05:49 PM

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Or you could lead weak, begging for a call - If he raises, you have to come over the top.

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And if he just calls? Push turn? CR turn? Check-fold?

Big_Jim · #8 08-08-2005, 05:53 PM

If you're going to play it like this, I like a check/call on the flop, and a big lead on the turn.

This line should have pretty good fold equity versus anything but a set.

Post-Oak · #9 08-08-2005, 05:53 PM

I hate the pot sized bet on the flop.

It's a rainbow board and your hands have been clearly defined (not really, but in his mind). The stacks are not nearly deep enough to warrant a pot sized bet here.

If you had AA or AK, would you really go ahead and bet the pot? He only has $1400 left, and the pot is already $1K. You should make it look like you want to get his money in steps.

You can check for deception purposes (and this could even give you a free card to a possible 5 outs) and then bet $500 or so on the turn.

But what I like is to bet $400 on this flop. This is what you would bet on this board if you had AK or AA.

If he calls or raises, you are done with the hand.

He played the hand strangely, and I think his most likely hands are AK, AA and KK (in that order). I would still throw that $400 bet out there though, and hope he had a strangely played KK.

Big_Jim · #10 08-08-2005, 05:59 PM

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and hope he had a strangely played KK.

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You really think this is a strange line for KK so far?

You think most people 4-bet all in PF with KK?

In position, I think that KK is a very probable holding for villian, here.