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Old 08-06-2005, 11:00 PM
JerseyTom JerseyTom is offline
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Default Standard TP fold?

MP1 is (I think) a pretty decent, somewhat tricky TAG, capable of semibluff-raising turns.
SB is rockish and has done nothing noteworthy so far.

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Preflop: JerseyTom is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">JerseyTom raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (8 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">JerseyTom raises</font>, SB calls, BB folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">JerseyTom raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, MP1 calls, JerseyTom folds...
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Old 08-06-2005, 11:04 PM
DCWildcat DCWildcat is offline
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Default Re: Standard TP fold?

If your reads are correct, I could see a fold here, despite getting 15 to 1. You'll probably have to call at least 1 (possibly 2 or even 3) on the river even if you hit your A or J, and with a 4 straight and 3 flush on the board, I don't think it's worth it.

If you had position, I could see a call, and a river call if it was only one bet to you if you hit an A or J. But I think this is a fold.
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Old 08-06-2005, 11:13 PM
Dave G. Dave G. is offline
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Default Re: Standard TP fold?

I think the fold is fine.
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Old 08-06-2005, 11:14 PM
benkath1 benkath1 is offline
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Default Re: Standard TP fold?

When a rock calls 2 on the flop and throws in 3 on a check raise, I think I'd fold too.
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Old 08-06-2005, 11:21 PM
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Default Re: Standard TP fold?

unless your reads are weak, it's a fold.
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Old 08-07-2005, 01:11 AM
aK13 aK13 is offline
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Why raise the turn?
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Old 08-07-2005, 01:35 AM
GrandmaStabone GrandmaStabone is offline
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Default Re: Standard TP fold?

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Why raise the turn?

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if he gets raised he can be pretty sure he is far behind and fold?
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Old 08-07-2005, 01:54 AM
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Default Re: Standard TP fold?

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Why raise the turn?

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if he gets raised he can be pretty sure he is far behind and fold?

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Why would you do that when you can get to showdown for the same price, and usually make more when you're ahead? (Guy behind folds for 2 but not for 1 typically, and if the turn bettor is bluffing, he's going to fold to the raise)
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Old 08-07-2005, 01:57 AM
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Default Re: Standard TP fold?

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Why raise the turn?

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I think hero has to either raise or fold at this point. I think a call would be the wrong move. If you are re-raised you may consider folding. Also if I can get it to heads up I have a better chance of winning.

This is a multi-way pot meaning the chance that someone has a made hand is good. I think I probably fold here.
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Old 08-07-2005, 09:50 AM
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Default Re: Standard TP fold?

Folding is good. You know for sure that hitting your J or your A is not enough. Even if you hit your straight you can lose to a higher one, and of course there is always the flush.

MP1 bets into you after you raised him. Even though you say he is tricky I still think that he has made his hand on that turn. Your only out is a 4 which, like mentioned earlier, is still very vulnerable. Even if you hit it you have a good chance of chopping. With implied odds you are able to call but I don't think you can fold anyone so no raise.
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