Ultimate Truth

snowden719 · #1 08-05-2005, 05:23 PM

To those of you who use the phrase ultimate truth, what exactly do you mean when you say that something is ultimately true. What is the difference in standards between something that is true and ultimately true( Is it right to say that X is true but not ultimately true). What is the domain of ultimate truth, are all ultimate truths normal truths also, are all normal truths ultimate truths, are some but not all normal truths ultimate truths or vice versa? The term has always seemed somewhat bixarre to me, but if someone could give an ecample I would appreciate it.

spaminator101 · #2 08-05-2005, 05:54 PM

wouldnt it be weird if something that were true were not ultimately true wouldnt that destroy the foundation of truth itself

Beerfund · #3 08-05-2005, 06:52 PM

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wouldnt it be weird if something that were true were not ultimately true wouldnt that destroy the foundation of truth itself

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Only if were ultimately untrue in a totally true but untrue way.......no wait, it's gotta be your bull.

PairTheBoard · #4 08-06-2005, 12:13 AM

I think something that is True cannot be False. However if it is Ultimately True it's still True even if it's False because it's Ultimate.

PairTheBoard

NotReady · #5 08-06-2005, 02:26 AM

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When I use the phrase I'm talking about truth concerning ultimate things or answers to questions about ultimate meaning.

Truth is truth, but the proposition in question must often be qualified. There's no difference in the truth quality of various truth statements, but the difference lies in the subject matter of the statement. The two statements:

1. New York is a city in the US.
2. Heaven is the future abode of the saved.

are both equally true, but the first is qualified by time, the second is a statement concerning ultimate truth.

kpux · #6 08-06-2005, 02:48 AM

there aren't different degrees of truth. the distinction between "true" and "ultimately true" is BS.

perhaps you think others delegate the realm of the "ultimately true" to mathematical/logical truth, but as i see it, statements that are proven true in these fields are the only truths we have

snowden719 · #7 08-06-2005, 04:13 PM

what is it about the second statement that makes it ultimate?

mmbt0ne · #8 08-06-2005, 04:14 PM

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Only if were ultimately untrue in a totally true but untrue way.......no wait, it's gotta be your bull.

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Did I catch a niner in there?

NotReady · #9 08-06-2005, 04:59 PM

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what is it about the second statement that makes it ultimate?

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It's always true under all conditions - it's a truth about ultimate reality.

The phrase "ultimate truth" is just shorthand for a larger idea. Picking the phrase apart does nothing to affect the larger idea. But it's certainly proper to clarify definitions.

BluffTHIS! · #10 08-06-2005, 05:51 PM

NotReady mentioned a key factor - time. An utlitmate truth is eternally true - past, present, future and always. Plus such a truth is universal in place, it applies to all physical/supernatural locations and situations.