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07-28-2005, 09:24 PM
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Flopped a flush, now what
Party 2/4 full table
Hip is Button with 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 calls, Hip calls, SB folds, BB checks Flop (7 players) 7ish SB A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] BB bets, UTG calls, MP calls, I call <font color="blue"> My plan is to raise any non club on the turn</font> Turn (4 players) 5.5BB Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] BB checks, UTG bets, MP folds, Hip... I was really unsure how to proceed here. I didn't know if I should outright fold, or call 1 bet on each street, or raise the turn and fold to a re raise. UTG was just your typical party donk. Wasn't hyper aggressive, but, wasn't totally horrible. 
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#2
07-28-2005, 09:27 PM
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Re: Flopped a flush, now what
I really think you need to raise this flop. I don't think it's close at all.
On the turn, I tend to take a simple approach and call down here when villain is even somewhat aggressive, and fold when he isn't. If you can put him on a handrange preflop that often helps. Rob
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#4
07-28-2005, 09:32 PM
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Re: Flopped a flush, now what
[ QUOTE ]
I really think you need to raise this flop. I don't think it's close at all. On the turn, I tend to take a simple approach and call down here when villain is even somewhat aggressive, and fold when he isn't. If you can put him on a handrange preflop that often helps. Rob [/ QUOTE ] My standard line is to raise this flop. I just figured anyone with a big club is going to call, so I'd hit them on the turn with a raise, and let the BB bet his ace.
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#5
07-28-2005, 09:32 PM
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Re: Flopped a flush, now what
I like raising the flop.
You might get as many bets as you would on a non club turn (3 more small bets if you raise on the flop, whereas someone leading on the turn might induce 2 folds and only get you to call). Also, if you raise the flop, and a club turns, you are more likely to get checked to (you save a SB). If someone bets out on the turn, I probably fold b/c with a 4 way pot, my 7 is not likely to be good. -Matt
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#6
07-28-2005, 09:32 PM
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Re: Flopped a flush, now what
You have to ask yourself if UTG, after flat calling the A-high, 3-suited flop, would then lead into a field of 4 without a flush. Because any bets you put into the pot from this point on have to be predicated on the belief that he does not have a flush, as it's a bit much to hope that he's betting with the 2, 3, or 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. So if he isn't just getting aggressive with two pair or something, I don't think you can call a turn bet getting 6.5:1 on a 1-outer. You certainly can't call 2 bets to get to showdown with those odds.
You can try raising, but that costs you just as much as calling to showdown and you absolutely must fold to a 3-bet. I just call "small pot" and fold against anything but a total LAG. EDIT: given your position relative the field, I don't hate waiting to raise the turn at all. IF you can fold when a turn scenario like this unfolds. As you said, you aren't going to fold any high clubs with a flop raise anyway, so waiting until your equity increases after a safe turn makes sense.
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#7
07-28-2005, 09:34 PM
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Re: Flopped a flush, now what
I've found myself in this situation quite a bit lately. When suited connecters hit too early, it sucks. I raise the flop or checkraise it. I find checkraise is better. Because you always get some guy who bluffs or bets this board. I reckon you want your opponents to know you have the flush, that way most will found, even Q&J may fold. BUt I do not suggest slowplaying, your hand is just too weak.
JT [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
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