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Old 07-28-2005, 12:30 AM
Jeff W Jeff W is offline
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Default 88 on the edge.

MP2 is a tight/aggressive player--18/11/1.6 over a few k hands.

UTG+1 is a LAG. 42/15/3.1 over 50 hands.

The other cold callers are loose idiots.

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Party Poker 9 handed

Preflop: Jeff is MP1 with 8h, 8c.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Jeff raises, MP2 3-bets, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls, Jeff calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) 9s, 6h, 5d (5 players)
UTG+1 bets, Jeff raises, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Button folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (11.25 BB) Ts (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Jeff bets, MP2 calls, UTG+1 folds.

River: (13.25 BB) Jd (2 players)
Jeff bets.
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Old 07-28-2005, 01:36 AM
DrewOnTilt DrewOnTilt is offline
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Default Re: 88 on the edge.

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MP2 is a tight/aggressive player--18/11/1.6 over a few k hands.

UTG+1 is a LAG. 42/15/3.1 over 50 hands.

The other cold callers are loose idiots.

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Party Poker 9 handed

Preflop: Jeff is MP1 with 8h, 8c.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Jeff raises, MP2 3-bets, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls, Jeff calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) 9s, 6h, 5d (5 players)
UTG+1 bets, Jeff raises, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Button folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (11.25 BB) Ts (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Jeff bets, MP2 calls, UTG+1 folds.

River: (13.25 BB) Jd (2 players)
Jeff bets.

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I play it the same way except for the river bet. What hands will the TAG call with that you beat? The three overcards on the board are a bit scary. There are no draws on the flop. Unless the TAG was betting with a hand like A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or a middle pair like 77, you are probably in trouble.

I'd probably check/call the river given the size of the pot.
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Old 07-28-2005, 01:40 AM
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Default Re: 88 on the edge.

As a side question (not trying to derail the post) but do you guys always raise with middle pairs in that position? I thought these paid off more with a big pool of players and you also want to try to get in with a single bet? I normally limp here with 9's-7's. I fold 6's-2's from UTG 1 & 2. Is this bad?
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Old 07-28-2005, 01:44 AM
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Default Re: 88 on the edge.

Are you betting the river as an underdog, but you feel he'll call (or fold) more than he raises?
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Old 07-28-2005, 01:45 AM
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Default Re: 88 on the edge.

This raise PF is on the edge I think. Maybe a little more profitable and more variance. I also think the river bet is on the edge too.
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Old 07-28-2005, 01:57 AM
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Default Re: 88 on the edge.

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Are you betting the river as an underdog, but you feel he'll call (or fold) more than he raises?

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I think I'm a favorite on the river and inducing a bluff is not right against a player like this(he will check ace high and it's unlikely he has anything worse).
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Old 07-28-2005, 02:00 AM
DrewOnTilt DrewOnTilt is offline
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Default Re: 88 on the edge.

I gotta comment that you made a good flop raise. I need to start doing that more often, especially against LAGs. Nice and aggressive. I like it. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 07-28-2005, 02:36 AM
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Default Re: 88 on the edge.

Ah I see. So he'll call with a hand like AKo often enough.
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Old 07-28-2005, 03:02 AM
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Default Re: 88 on the edge.

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Ah I see. So he'll call with a hand like AKo often enough.

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Well, he almost has to have unimproved AK or AQ. What other hands would he play this way? He would raise a set or an overpair earlier in the hand.
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Old 07-28-2005, 03:12 AM
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Default Re: 88 on the edge.

TT is possible and maybe even a weakly played overpair, but you're right. His stats and postflop play means AK, AQ a lotta times here.
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