Baseball Terminology Questions

[Huskiez]

My friends and I had a disagreement while watching the Yankee game today. Stewart led off the inning with an HBP. The second batter grounded into a double play, and the third batter was retired also.

A couple of friends said that this was a 1-2-3 inning because the first three batters were retired. I disagree because I thought a 1-2-3 inning is when no runner gets to first base.

Also, is there a difference between 1-2-3 inning and 3 up, 3 down?

Any relevant links to official definitions would be appreciated. Thanks.

1-2-3 inning is not the same as 3 up 3 down. 3 up 3 down is what you just described.

1-2-3 means that no one gets on base in that inning.

At least that's what I think.

[ThaSaltCracka]

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Also, is there a difference between 1-2-3 inning and 3 up, 3 down?

[/ QUOTE ] I don't think so, but this entire thread reeks of semantics.

[RacersEdge]

Yeah, this is more lingo and slang than official terminology.

[Crveballin]

The way I see it 3 up and 3 down means 3 batters went "up" to the plate and got out (3 down). I feel that a 1-2-3 inning is when you get the first 3 batters out of the inning however. the 1st 2 could get on and you turn a triple play 3rd 2nd then to 1st and it still would be a 1-2-3 inning.

[imported_The Vibesman]

I think that 1-2-3 and 3up, 3down, generally refer to when the 3 batters in the inning go out in order, as in 1 out, 2 outs, 3 outs, or 1 up, 1 down, 1 up, 1 down, 1 up, 1 down. Usually in these other situations involving douple/triple plays the correct term is the pitcher "faced the minimum."

[Huskiez]

We resolved the disagreement and here's what we came up with:

one-two-three inning: an inning in which three batters are retired in order without a base hit, walk or error.

This definition doesn't have HBP, but I think it was accidentally left out. Therefore yesterday's first inning was not one-two-three.

three up three down: (of an inning) with three batters put out in order.

Looking more into it, we found an article by Bob Klapisch (credible I think) where he recaps the fifth inning:

Fifth inning: Three up, three down with help of double play.

So it appears yesterday's first inning was three up three down. I think it needs to be qualified. Three up, three down probably is the same as one-two-three unless specified (e.g. "with the help of double play").

Thanks for the responses.

[technologic]

accidentally left out?!!?!

just like hbp is accidentally left out of whip, eh?

[Crveballin]

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accidentally left out?!!?!

just like hbp is accidentally left out of whip, eh?

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Im not complain. Especially when Livan Hernadez hits 4 batters in the same game for my fantasy team.