Time to fold my two pair on the river?

hemstock · #1 07-23-2005, 04:18 PM

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, MP2 calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero caps, MP2 calls, Button calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (13 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP2 folds, Button raises, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (21 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, Button bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero?

No way I'm folding such a big pot for 1 bb. But then again, a lone queen beats me in a field of 4! Comments?

istewart · #2 07-23-2005, 04:21 PM

Yeah it's probably a fold given the flop and turn action, but with no reads at all I'd call. I'd fold preflop too.

Eh, the more I look at it the more it seems like a fold.

bottomset · #3 07-23-2005, 04:24 PM

I don'like the preflop limp

and don't understand your flop cap

VoraciousReader · #4 07-23-2005, 04:24 PM

I'm calling this. The only guy betting is the one that's been betting the whole way. He either has the straight or he doesn't, but I just improved my hand significantly.

Also, it's FAR from a given somebody has a queen. I saw a hand last night where there were 4 clubs on the river, and 4 players still in the pot. Obviously, whoever had the highest club was taking it down, right? Wrong. It went to the guy with 2 pair. 4 players, not a single club between them.

No way do I call this down and then fold for 1 bet. With fewer people in, I raise.

hemstock · #5 07-23-2005, 04:25 PM

You fold KJo from MP? Whenever I get it in MP im going like "damn I have to call now". I think I might stop limping with it.

VoraciousReader · #6 07-23-2005, 04:32 PM

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Eh, the more I look at it the more it seems like a fold.

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Hero is getting 24-1 on the call. Are you really 96% sure we're beaten here?

If there was a time to fold, it was on the flop or the turn, not now, in my opinion.

silkyslim · #7 07-23-2005, 05:13 PM

Pf I don't like the limp, I would raise, but that is my preference. I dont like the flop cap. on such a coordinated board, I would call the 3-bet and raise the turn to a safe card. The 9 is not a safe card, and I might fold to the raise. Now you have 4 to a str8, the BB going crazy, and the button waking up. TP is no good here. Given the way you played it however, I would call the river getting a million-1.

istewart · #8 07-23-2005, 05:18 PM

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Eh, the more I look at it the more it seems like a fold.

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Hero is getting 24-1 on the call. Are you really 96% sure we're beaten here?

If there was a time to fold, it was on the flop or the turn, not now, in my opinion.

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On the flop we have top pair and a good kicker. Folding is bad in my opinion. I wouldn't cap it necessarily though without a read. On the turn we have an inside straight draw. I think Villain has made it fairly obvious he has a straight here though.

eviljeff · #9 07-23-2005, 05:55 PM

I think your flop cap is over-aggro. you really can't be raising for value against a big field with a flop as coordinated as this.

on the river you're done. any Q or 7 beats you.

eviljeff · #10 07-23-2005, 05:59 PM

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If there was a time to fold, it was on the flop or the turn, not now, in my opinion.

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can't fold the flop, and on the turn we've got po to chase our queen.