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Old 07-19-2005, 09:53 AM
Nicholasp27 Nicholasp27 is offline
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Default A few 4th places...am I being too aggressive too early?

I think I basically just got impatient and went in too early on these three last night...it's easy to tell myself that the callers just happened to get aq/a8/aq when i pushed, so i just got unlucky and the other 85% of the time they don't get a top 15% hand, they woulda folded and i woulda stolen the blinds, but looking back at it, i think that, at least in hands 1/2, i was getting called no matter what, so i shoulda had a better hand since not much FE

thoughts?



Hand 1:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (4 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG (t2730)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t785)</font>
<font color="#C00000">SB (t2245)</font>
BB (t2240)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t885) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t885) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t885) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t885
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: t885 (t885), between Hero and SB.</font> &gt; <font color="#FFFFFF">Pot won by SB (t885).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has 8c Ad (two pair, eights and threes).
Hero has 2h Th (one pair, threes).
Outcome: SB wins t885. </font>


Hand 2:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (4 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Hero (t725)</font>
<font color="#C00000">BB (t2741)</font>
UTG (t954)
Button (t3580)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls t625.

Flop: (t775) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t775) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t775) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t775
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: t775 (t775), between Hero and BB.</font> &gt; <font color="#FFFFFF">Pot won by BB (t775).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 7h Qh (one pair, sevens).
BB has Ah Qc (one pair, aces).
Outcome: BB wins t775. </font>


Hand 3:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (4 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

SB (t2450)
BB (t2475)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t995)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Button (t2080)</font>

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Button calls t995, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: (t1145) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t1145) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t1145) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t1145
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: t1145 (t1145), between Hero and Button.</font> &gt; <font color="#FFFFFF">Pot won by Button (t1145).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ks 6s (one pair, fives).
Button has Ac Qc (two pair, queens and fives).
Outcome: Button wins t1145. </font>
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Old 07-19-2005, 09:56 AM
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Default Re: A few 4th places...am I being too aggressive too early?

1) bad
2) automatic push
3) marginal, i would fold
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Old 07-19-2005, 09:56 AM
Freudian Freudian is offline
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Default Re: A few 4th places...am I being too aggressive too early?

1) I'd fold.
2) Fine
3) Maginal. I'm ok with both push/fold depending on opponents. Since you have 10xBB I would be more inclined to fold than push though.

If the blinds were higher I think I'd push all of them.
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Old 07-19-2005, 10:12 AM
JayKon JayKon is offline
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Default Re: A few 4th places...am I being too aggressive too early?

If the BB was $100, this was an $6-$22 and I'm reading the botched (not your fault) hand conversion correctly ...

Hand #1 fold. Something better will come.

Hand #2 limp and hope to see a flop - though with AQ in the BB, he's probably gonna raise and you will have to fold. Besides, the other short stack will be in the BB next hand.

Hand #3 I probably push too.

In general, being that short stacked you got a big fat target painted on you and will often be called just to take a shot at busting you out. This means your going to either need a better hand, or you need to pull a stop-and-go. The stop-and-go is what I would want for hand #2.
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Old 07-19-2005, 10:19 AM
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Default Re: A few 4th places...am I being too aggressive too early?

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Hand #2 limp and hope to see a flop - though with AQ in the BB, he's probably gonna raise and you will have to fold. Besides, the other short stack will be in the BB next hand.

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Hand two is a clear push. Folding is better than limping though.
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Old 07-19-2005, 10:26 AM
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Default Re: A few 4th places...am I being too aggressive too early?

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Hand #2 limp and hope to see a flop - though with AQ in the BB, he's probably gonna raise and you will have to fold. Besides, the other short stack will be in the BB next hand.

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Hand two is a clear push. Folding is better than limping though.

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I saw your response and was thinking about hand #2. Since the poster didn't specify the buyin, I stated the lower range (where I play) and in those SnG's, I still think this is a place to try a stop-and-go as the players tend to be more passive.
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