Playing against overpairs

keetz555 · #1 07-19-2005, 09:34 AM

This is a type of situation that came up twice today. I was up against a suspected overpair. MP3 was tight-aggressive-aggressive. Button was something of a calling station, I didn't pay him no mind. I put MP3 on a medium to high pair - TT, QQ, KK or AA. I don't know why I went for that check-raise, to be honest. I guess I wanted to see how much heat he could take. In hindsight it looks really silly. Would it be more better to just check-call down to the river, making the showdown as cheap as possible? Folding can't be an option, can it?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
5 folds, MP3 raises, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, MP3 caps, Button calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Button calls, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (10.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

River: (13.40 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.40 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Js Jh (two pair, jacks and fours).
MP3 has Ah Ac (two pair, aces and fours).
Button has Kd Jd (one pair, fours).
Outcome: MP3 wins 15.40 BB.

toss · #2 07-19-2005, 09:41 AM

I'm not folding unless MP3 is a rock. I hate these situations too...

sy_or_bust · #3 07-19-2005, 09:45 AM

Don't include results.

Lead the flop? You'd like to knock Button off of this flop, if that's even possible. Check/calling is probably better. Checkraising isn't a great idea against a tight raiser either, although it may allow you to get away from the hand against players that won't try for a free card here. The typical TAG has a AA-TT, AQs+, AK capping range here, so you're in bad shape in a large pot.

In any case (bet/call or check/call on flop), this is a situation where I consider a turn bet/fold. I don't want TAG taking a free card, especially when Button is hanging around, but if I'm raised I know I have 2 outs and can fold. 2/4 should be straightforward enough for this play.

ArturiusX · #4 07-19-2005, 09:57 AM

Readless, call down, a rock, I fold the turn. Everything else this is fine.

Tight player capable of blind stealing, I check-call the flop intending to check-raise the turn.

keetz555 · #5 07-19-2005, 10:10 AM

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Tight player capable of blind stealing, I check-call the flop intending to check-raise the turn.

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I wouldn't interpret a raise from anyone in MP as a blind steal. Would you? He wasn't a maniac. I actually respected his play.

keetz555 · #6 07-19-2005, 10:13 AM

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this is a situation where I consider a turn bet/fold.

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Me like. I'll remember this. Thanks.

sean c · #7 07-19-2005, 10:14 AM

A good player is going to open raise a wide range from MP3.

brettbrettr · #8 07-19-2005, 10:17 AM

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Tight player capable of blind stealing, I check-call the flop intending to check-raise the turn.

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Prepared to fold to a 3-bet? I don't think I like this line....2 bets on the turn and a fold versus two bets to showdown.

J. Sawyer · #9 07-19-2005, 10:21 AM

A TAG isnt playing less than JJ that way IMO.