TJs - turn decision

Pokerroom 0.25/0.50 8 handed

No reads.

Preflop:
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], CO calls, button calls, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
sb checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, button folds, sb calls, BB calls, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB bets, BB raises, Hero 3bets...?

I figured that i had the flush outs, the OESD, a J would make me trips,and a ten would make me two pair, for what its worth.

3 betting i figured i would get em both in the hand unless SB was real tight,and i still have top pair as well.
open for debate.

[shadow29]

Call 2 cold. Own on the river.

[Andrew Smith]

I don't like the 3-bet. SB and BB both checked on the flop and you bet out. Now, on the turn, SB bets out, and then BB raises! Clearly this cannot be a good sign for you. I just cold call.

[TALLBrad]

I wouldn't count on your two-pair, or trips to win this hand. With a better and raiser I'm inclined to think that you need the flush. I'd lean to just calling the raise instead of 3 betting. You are also likely to get SB to re-raise if he truely has the straight.

[TripleH68]

If SB folds this turn and you get capped - you are overbetting your hand.

You have a great draw so let's see the river more cheaply.

[invictus33]

TPGK, OESD and a good flush draw. Without reads it's hard to say, but I'd guess BB hit a set or has the same draws you do (though I think the set more likely). SB has been calling down all the bets so far, is there any reason to think that he would fold to a 3-bet? If he's on any of many draws this board has then he'd have to call it. I'd say make the 3-bet on the turn and if you hit on the river then make the easy raises.

[cfjr2]

PF - everyone limps
flop - all call your bet
turn - bet / raise to you - I think one or both have QT or T7

therefore
I would not count the T or J outs as they are likely second best.
if you hit the 7 or Q for your OESD you (at best) likely split so don't count that much either

so I would only count the 9 flush draws and call to see the river

[Yort Mada]

Yea, i'd say the turn gave a straight or slow played set... either way in this situation to the bet and raise i would call because i'd only count my 9 outter as solid.

[gonzopro]

Cold call 2 and see the river. Here's how I'd count your outs (although others may not agree)
10's = almost nothing
J's = ~1.5
[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] = ~8.5 (little less since 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] may make someone a boat or quads also there are 3 possible higher flushes)
7's = likely result in split although sometimes will win and sometimes lose so ? breakeven

[eviljeff]

hmmm, interesting one. I count 9.5 BB in the pot. I think you're up against two stronger hands - some combination of 2pair, made straight, set. this makes the math a bit difficult. I'd estimate you have:
8.5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] outs (giving 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] a 50% change of being dirty)
.5*3=1.5 Q outs (discounted for the possibility of split pot)
1.5 7 outs
I don't think J or T outs are good.
so 11.5 outs total. good enough for a call, but I'm not sure you have equity for a 3bet.