$200 PLO8 hand against Emptyshell

[Wintermute]

$200 PL Omaha Hi/Lo - Sunday, July 10, 22:06:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 54688 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 4: Emptyshell ( $113.53 )
Seat 9: Wintermute ( $265.67 )
Seat 6: sitting out ( $200 )
Wintermute posts small blind [$1].
Emptyshell posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to Wintermute [ 4c 8h 8d 3h ]

Wintermute raises [$5].
Emptyshell raises [$16].
Wintermute calls [$12].

** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, Ac, 7d ] (Pot: $35)

Wintermute bets [$35].
Emptyshell is all-In.
Wintermute calls [$60.53].

** Dealing Turn ** [ 7s ]

** Dealing River ** [ 7h ]

Wintermute shows [ 4c, 8h, 8d, 3h ] a full house, Sevens full of eights.
Emptyshell shows [ 2s, 3c, Ah, 4d ] three of a kind, sevens.
Wintermute wins $226.06 from the main pot with a full house, Sevens full of eights.
There was no qualifying low hand.

Is it safe to say I now pwn emptyshell?
Discuss.

(Edit: this hand is actually interesting if you think about it hard enough.)

[stabn]

It's safe to say you made this hand history up.

[Wintermute]

I assure you (and emptyshell will surely attest when he sees this post) that I did not make this HH up.

[emptyshell]

Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking on this hand. I was probably on tilt or something.

Unfortunately, it is real.

[Jorge10]

wow man thats an insane suckout, but I got a better one.

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 3h Kc Ks 6h ]
Bestefar folds.
betum1 calls [$1].
M0NTECRIST0 folds.
Tarpatti folds.
cubanacan folds.
Hero calls [$1].
jsn1983 folds.
jamieskates calls [$1].
josephfar calls [$0.50].
UnluckyPlayer1 raises [$5].
betum1 calls [$5].
Hero calls [$5].
jamieskates calls [$5].
josephfar folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, Jh, 4h ]
UnluckyPlayer1 checks.
betum1 checks.
Hero checks.
jamieskates checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
UnluckyPlayer1 bets [$4].
betum1 folds.
Hero calls [$4].
jamieskates calls [$4].
** Dealing River ** [ 5h ]
UnluckyPlayer1 bets [$35].
Hero is all-In [$101]
jamieskates folds.
UnluckyPlayer1 is all-In [$29.80]
UnluckyPlayer1 shows [ Jd, Ad, Td, Js ] a full house, Jacks full of fours.
Hero shows [ 3h, Kc, Ks, 6h ] a straight flush, six high.
Hero wins $36.20 from side pot #1 with a straight flush, six high.
Hero wins $163.60 from the main pot with a straight flush, six high.

Beat that one, it was in omaha high, but still so wrong, however im the Hero this time, so wrong yet so cool for me, I am usually on the other side, nice to win a suckout.

[kitaristi0]

Could either or both of you please explain your thought processes during this hand? I'm new to O8, and now next to nothing about PLO8, and i'm rather puzzled by this hand. On the flop, Wintermute, you have a draw to the 3rd nut low and a pair of eights + a backdoor flush draw. Is this an automatic call in PLO8 HU? Or did you have a read on emptyshell indicating weakness?

[emptyshell]

Well, technically speaking this isn't really a suckout since the money went in after you were ahead. If you had gotten all in on the flop, that would be a suckout. Clever turn call, though.

[Wintermute]

That's an awesome suckout Jorge. Actually, I can top it, I hit a runner-runner str flush against flopped quad jacks once. This was before PTO so I don't have the HH, but I do have a witness, mxyzptlk is his 2+2 name...

Anyhow, when I wrote this post I originally did just intend to post a funny beat I put on emptyshell. But as I was posting it I started thinking about it a little more, and while it was truly awful, I learned something important from it... I'll post about what that is in a while, but try thinking over the preflop action first.

[Jorge10]

Thats true, but it was a 1 outer on the river.

[Wintermute]

kitaristi0, I'd say it's pretty clear what emptyshell was thinking... probably something along the lines of "I like money, let's see if this guy will give me some." As for what I was thinking, you sort of had to see some of the previous hands to justify what I did... for one thing, he was re-raising my raises from the button frequently and showing down garbage. Also, that flop doesn't look too bad to me, assuming he doesn't have 23 or 24, which isn't too horrible of an assumption in a heads up situation. So I tried to buy it right there. When he raised me, I was getting 2:1 on a call (with no more action to come because he's short-stacked!), and it's rare to be that far behind in a heads up situation with a low draw and a pair (I was actually behind 87:13, FWIW), so I called.

Overall, even though I had a reason to believe that he was trying to run me over, and my hand wasn't a complete catastrophe on the flop that it appears to be once you see what I was up against, I definitely did play this hand poorly, and wouldn't advocate that this is the right thing to do by any means.

But still, there's something else interesting about this hand... think preflop.