Stud n00bie, is PP as easy to beat as it seems?

squeek12 · #1 07-15-2005, 07:10 AM

After going on a terrible downswing at PP 2/4 hold em, I decided to blow off some steam at the Stud .5/1 tables. The games were so fishy I couldn't believe it. I'm not sure if I was rushing ir not, but I made like $50 in a couple of hours 2-tabling.

I haven't played stud much at all, and basically only know starting hand req's. And I still seemed way better than most everyone there. Can Stud be more profitable than hold em? And is it even possible to play 4 tables while keeping up a good win rate?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

jon_1van · #2 07-15-2005, 07:17 AM

the Stud .5 /1.00 game is awesome when you are getting cards. But it can be very very expensive if you can't get a hand to hold up.

Because the ante is so large people aren't making drastic mistakes by playing too much on 3rd-4th....but they play so bad on 5th-7th that the game is beatable.

I think it is hard to play more than 3 tables of stud. Espically in the low limit games where you should be playing more hands because the ante is so big.

BeerMoney · #3 07-15-2005, 07:32 AM

$50 in this game is nothing. Yes, the players are miserably bad, but they sometimes look clairvoyant when their two outers come in that they called $4 off with on 6th street.

sexdrugsmoney · #4 07-15-2005, 11:20 AM

Gee, hearing you guys talk about what a cakewalk .5/1 Party is makes me feel like the biggest fish in the world.

Yesterday in two hours I made $43 there playing 1 table, today I dropped $100, but recouped $60 of it, only to lose another $15 before calling it quits. (about 5 hours of play)

So I lost the $43 I made yesterday and a bit more.

I know the ante structure is terrible and it seems from reading a bit of TOP and here that 2/4 should be the lowest level on Party to attempt as the ante is 1/4 of the BI and 1/8th of the smallest bet.

Oi vey. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

frappeboy · #5 07-15-2005, 11:27 AM

No game is beatable with bad luck, and no game is unbeatable with good luck.

BeerMoney · #6 07-15-2005, 11:46 AM

SDM,

You're missing the point of what we're saying.

All of the posts regarding this game have had 3 main points

* The Players are Terrible
* Expect Huge Swings, Variance
* The game is beatable

Now, what you've just said in your post is that you experienced swings. That's exactly what we've said will happen. No experienced poster on here has told you it is a cakewalk. It will be frustrating at times. Poker is frustrating at every level. You can't expect to sit down and win $20 every time you play. One day you'll win $75, then next day, you'll lose $60. The net result is a profit though.

When I said $50 is nothing, I did not mean to imply that I, or anyone else for that matter, would crush this table for more than that every time we sit down. All I meant is that its not an outrageous swing in this game. If I remember correctly, I won $200 playing for a few hours in this game 1 night!! I gave most of it back the next night!!!!! Its wild.

You will need a big bankroll and even bigger patience.

BLUFF LESS, CALL MORE!

vintage_sara · #7 07-15-2005, 12:07 PM

I answered a post to Sexdrugsmoney about the ante structure in this game that you may want to read and my opinion stands. This is not a game I would play. I don't think the profit is really there if you are really trying to play strong winning poker.

Stud does have more betting rounds than holdem so essentially you can make more. 5 times to bet vs. 4 times to bet. However, the holdem games on average online tend to be more aggressive putting more money into the pot. And I do believe in the casinos holdem tends to be more aggressive, especially preflop.

However, in holdem, when your opponents are drawing slim in holdem your hand has a better chance of holding up because you play with community cards and you also know if you have the best hand possible absolutely. In stud on the other hand, the hands are independent, which adds more variables to the game and make hand like aces more vulnerable.

When you are running well, any game seems easy. You just feel like you are the world-reknowned expert. When you are running poorly, it can seem like you make all the wrong decisions. The tough part for any good player is to be able to stay objective about their play. I know there have been times when i have won with my B game and lost with my A+ game. That's poker.

I love stud and that's why I play it. I am solid at holdem but have never found the passion for it, especially limit. I wish I did because quite frankly that's the easist game for people to learn and one people feel real comfortable sitting down and playing. I like the mental stimulation of stud overall.

The game that I am trying to become more expert at is Omaha hi-lo. I really believe there is some great money to be made there.

sexdrugsmoney · #8 07-15-2005, 10:19 PM

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SDM,

You're missing the point of what we're saying.

All of the posts regarding this game have had 3 main points

* The Players are Terrible
* Expect Huge Swings, Variance
* The game is beatable

Now, what you've just said in your post is that you experienced swings. That's exactly what we've said will happen. No experienced poster on here has told you it is a cakewalk. It will be frustrating at times. Poker is frustrating at every level. You can't expect to sit down and win $20 every time you play. One day you'll win $75, then next day, you'll lose $60. The net result is a profit though.

When I said $50 is nothing, I did not mean to imply that I, or anyone else for that matter, would crush this table for more than that every time we sit down. All I meant is that its not an outrageous swing in this game. If I remember correctly, I won $200 playing for a few hours in this game 1 night!! I gave most of it back the next night!!!!! Its wild.

You will need a big bankroll and even bigger patience.

BLUFF LESS, CALL MORE!

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Cheers Beermoney, as you can see in bold above, that is the perception in my mind whenever I hear good players talking about "crushing" games ... that they literally crush them everytime they sit down at the time.

Apparently crush really means "I profit long term" ... misleading term. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

-SDM

bigredlemon · #9 07-16-2005, 01:40 AM

The swings are definetly insane. I'm playing some stud8 .5/1 to clear a bonus and experienced a few one outters (quads, one of the two remaining aces for a lower low, etc) and ended up down 75BBs from those few hands alone (it was capped most of the streets.) Also managed to scoop one pot for a 30BB win. At the higher limits, the worest swings I'd get in one hand would usually be just a few BBs as no one will try to hit one outters or cap with a vulnerable hand.