JTo to straight, two pair turn

tor · #1 07-13-2005, 06:54 PM

UTG: Loose neutral player... read only from stats, just sat down.
UTG+1: Loose, very passive player.
MP3: fishy fishy, but a bit more aggressive postflop than the average trout
BB: Tag, but EXTREMELY tight preflop. NEVER raises anything but AA-QQ and gets pushed off blind steals all the time.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (5.40 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4.70 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG bets, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP3 folds.

River: (9.70 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.70 BB

tor · #2 07-13-2005, 06:55 PM

My thoughts... call the turn. Fold to river, when missed?

nomadtla · #3 07-13-2005, 07:00 PM

call this turn, and I'd probably call one on river. Turn raise is excessive

@bsolute_luck · #4 07-13-2005, 09:58 PM

i'd have folded the flop. your J outs puts 4 to a straight plus a small pot.

Eeegah · #5 07-13-2005, 10:04 PM

(grunching)

More experienced 2+2ers, could someone explain to me what a stop-and-go usually indicates, and where you use it in your play? I've never really found much use for it due to total ignorance.

That said, I think I can find a raise on the river here. I don't think he has a K if he didn't cap the turn.

Edit: Eh wait, there was someone behind him so it's not a stop and go, so he may have just wanted MP3 to call and lead out again on the river. In that case call, sorry.

benkath1 · #6 07-13-2005, 10:27 PM

Looks good. nh

benkath1 · #7 07-13-2005, 10:33 PM

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(grunching)

More experienced 2+2ers, could someone explain to me what a stop-and-go usually indicates, and where you use it in your play? I've never really found much use for it due to total ignorance.

That said, I think I can find a raise on the river here. I don't think he has a K if he didn't cap the turn.

Edit: Eh wait, there was someone behind him so it's not a stop and go, so he may have just wanted MP3 to call and lead out again on the river. In that case call, sorry.

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I'm not that experienced, but I would consider this a stop n go. I'm kind of getting used to them at party 1/2. I don't understand why someone would do this, but I would be thinking during this hand, 'OK, he didn't cap the turn so proably doesn't have a K. I'm think he has an A and either doesn't want a free showdown, hit his kicker on the river, or is a complete moran and needs to be punished.' That's why I call with my 2 pair and check the hand history for my note on the fish. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

GTSamIAm · #8 07-13-2005, 10:43 PM

There's no reason to raise the turn here. Call down. You're not folding a K, you're folding hands you beat. And the bettor could easily have a king and 3-bet you.