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Old 07-13-2005, 03:56 AM
PokerHund PokerHund is offline
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Default Mason and his \"simple hand\"

In hold 'em, there are very few hands where it is correct strategy to just call a raise (unless you are in the big blind) where there is only a raiser in the pot. Yet I see this error made all the time, even at the higher limits.



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Can anybody tell me what hands would be correct to cold-call with in LP after a MP (no read on him) player raise the blinds. What if UTG or EP would have raised here ?
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Old 07-13-2005, 04:49 AM
DcifrThs DcifrThs is offline
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Default Re: Mason and his \"simple hand\"

uh, mason said it was incorrect...whats the question? what IS correct....well not much. maybe a float if you know the player well (people often comment how much they hate being floated)

but i can't think of ahand thats "correct" to do it with.

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Old 07-13-2005, 01:36 PM
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Default Re: Mason and his \"simple hand\"

i don't think there is a single hand i'd be the first cold-caller to an EP raise.

maybe, maybe AA if I felt the blinds were tight and would fold, so i could raise the turn.

Now, if several people have cold called, i might be inclined to take a flop with a mid-small pair or high suited cards.
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Old 07-13-2005, 01:59 PM
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Default Re: Mason and his \"simple hand\"

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i don't think there is a single hand i'd be the first cold-caller to an EP raise.

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AQs? Probably the strongest of the standard cold calling hands.
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Old 07-13-2005, 02:10 PM
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Default Re: Mason and his \"simple hand\"

What about 33 if you expect the blinds to call most hands?
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Old 07-13-2005, 02:11 PM
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Default Re: Mason and his \"simple hand\"

There are a couple of situations that cold-calling makes sense in.

In a loose game, where 3-betting will get you into a 3-4 way pot, I think calling with a hand like 88 makes sense.

Say a moderately loose raiser raises UTG, and you are UTG+1. If you 3-bet, you would expect the button and one of the blinds to call. I don't want to 3-bet in this situation. If you cold-call, you expect about 6-way action. In this situation I would tend to call, although folding may be better.
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Old 07-13-2005, 10:43 PM
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Default Re: Mason and his \"simple hand\"

it's still a 3-bet against many opponents, a fold against others.
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Old 07-14-2005, 12:24 AM
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Default Re: Mason and his \"simple hand\"

Most likely he is referring to situations rather than specific hands. An answer like "AQs but not AK" is not sufficient.

For example, it might be fine to call an UTG raise with a hand such as 77 after 4 cold-calls, but not if it is folded to you.

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Old 07-14-2005, 12:46 AM
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Default Re: Mason and his \"simple hand\"

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There are a couple of situations that cold-calling makes sense in.

In a loose game, where 3-betting will get you into a 3-4 way pot, I think calling with a hand like 88 makes sense.

Say a moderately loose raiser raises UTG, and you are UTG+1. If you 3-bet, you would expect the button and one of the blinds to call. I don't want to 3-bet in this situation. If you cold-call, you expect about 6-way action. In this situation I would tend to call, although folding may be better.

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I would think that folding, in the exact situation you described, would be horrible. Hard to find a better situation to play a mid sized pair in than that one.

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Old 07-15-2005, 04:38 PM
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Default Re: Mason and his \"simple hand\"

I don't relish playing a mid-sized pair for 3+ bets in a 3-4 way pot.

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There are a couple of situations that cold-calling makes sense in.

In a loose game, where 3-betting will get you into a 3-4 way pot, I think calling with a hand like 88 makes sense.

Say a moderately loose raiser raises UTG, and you are UTG+1. If you 3-bet, you would expect the button and one of the blinds to call. I don't want to 3-bet in this situation. If you cold-call, you expect about 6-way action. In this situation I would tend to call, although folding may be better.

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I would think that folding, in the exact situation you described, would be horrible. Hard to find a better situation to play a mid sized pair in than that one.

lf

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