flopping flush with 23 of hearts from bb

damn_river · #1 07-13-2005, 02:47 AM

Paradise Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1/$2 BB (8 handed) converter

Button ($228.00)
SB ($232.75)
Hero ($165.00)
UTG ($16.50)
UTG+1 ($489.25)
MP1 ($240.75)
MP2 ($167.00)
CO ($229.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, UTG+1 calls $2, 2 folds, CO calls $2, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: ($9) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $7, CO folds, my move... how would you play it?

dR

imported_anacardo · #2 07-13-2005, 02:56 AM

My first instinct says "call down, fold to fourth heart, be cautious vs. paired board." This might be incredibly weak, but it's the first thing I can think of that seems to extract the most / lose the least.

damn_river · #3 07-13-2005, 03:12 AM

would it be a bad play to raise all in?

xorbie · #4 07-13-2005, 03:15 AM

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This depends on whether you have any look up artists at the table. If not, I think you're losing a lot of value here when behind. I like leading out on this flop personally. If you get raised, call and then lead again on a non [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] non pairing turn.

slik · #5 07-13-2005, 03:16 AM

i can't imagine any sane person calling a bet over 10X the pot with anything that you beat. so while a check raise of a significant amount is a decent play, an allin might as well be a bluff, cause only better hands will call.

damn_river · #6 07-13-2005, 03:21 AM

push the turn, after a call on flop and rag turn? or is pushing in this situation not a good play being i could be behind badly?

damn_river · #7 07-13-2005, 03:24 AM

if i decided to call him down. At what point would I surrender to a higher flush? Or do i have to call him down with all my chips? I guess I want to know is there a way to get away from this hand if my opponent also has a flush and rags fall on turn and river?

imported_anacardo · #8 07-13-2005, 03:24 AM

No, no, keep your bets reasonable! Again, nobody's calling with anything you beat with that stuff.

damn_river · #9 07-13-2005, 03:26 AM

Should I fold to a big raise by him on a ragged turn? For instance for all my chips. I guess I want to know is there a way to get away from this hand if my opponent also has a flush and rags fall on turn and river?

imported_anacardo · #10 07-13-2005, 04:01 AM

This is a tough spot, as with any potential big reverse implied odds situation, and would really be alleviated by a read.

Is villain reasonably tight-aggressive? Checkraise the flop, find out where you stand. A good player putting in action on this flop has probably got you in a serious reverse-implied bind.

Hyperaggressive / donkish? Call down. I pay a dumb-ish LAG off here in a flush over flush situation. Get really worried only if a fourth heart comes.

Against a very passive player I would strongly consider fold or perhaps calling / folding to a turn bet.