Raise or fold?

teajay · #1 07-11-2005, 09:28 PM

I think calling is terrible, so a raise or fold here. First orbit at this table, no reads. Sorry.

I guess if I'm raising, I'm probably going to showdown. Provided it doesn't come back to me capped.

Party Poker (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, CO folds, Hero?

Greg J · #2 07-11-2005, 09:35 PM

I think there are some converter issues after this latest Party update. No pot size -- and preflop is obviously wrong. Now that bison is retired I'm not sure what will happen.

Rev. Good Will · #3 07-11-2005, 09:36 PM

definitely raise, you have no reason to believe he has anything at this point (or at least has an ace with a better kicker)

teajay · #4 07-11-2005, 09:38 PM

Ahh crap. I saw the ones on the turn and fixed them...
I'll dig up the hand history in a bit if you can't figure the hand out...

Greg J · #5 07-11-2005, 09:42 PM

Really I'm just wondering if the hand is accurate postflop. Can you confirm that?

teajay · #6 07-11-2005, 09:53 PM

That I can. It is accurate postflop.

TomBrooks · #7 07-11-2005, 09:57 PM

I'd call it. You might be beat with your weak kicker though.

Greg J · #8 07-11-2005, 09:59 PM

Then I like a call in the 4 bb pot for a couple of reasons. First, you are either way behind or likely splitting this pot. If you are way behind you don't want to give the guy that just beting into you a chance to 3 bet, esp if he has a K. By just calling you encourage overcalls. Raising tells the guy that will call one bet with 77 that his hand is no good, while just calling says only one guy is representing an A or a K, and maybe he is bluffing (in the mind of a fishy player). I don't raise. Call or fold. I kind of like a call here.

TomBrooks · #9 07-11-2005, 10:00 PM

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definitely raise, you have no reason to believe he has anything at this point (or at least has an ace with a better kicker)

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I think the great majority of the time hero is losing to an Ace with a better kicker here. I'd call it, but I don't see the point in raising.

Rev. Good Will · #10 07-11-2005, 10:08 PM

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definitely raise, you have no reason to believe he has anything at this point (or at least has an ace with a better kicker)

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I think the great majority of the time hero is losing to an Ace with a better kicker here. I'd call it, but I don't see the point in raising.

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I think most opponents are gonna raise AQ+ PF, so that leaves A7-AJ that we have to worry about

we chop with A7, so who cares, so basically I think we could get A8-(maybe)AT to fold.(EDIT - whoops! we chop with A8 too, don't we)

Calling is by far the worst option IMO, we stay in the hand, and we leave ourselves more vulnurable, but I may be off base being that the pot is small, but if i am, i'm folding, not calling.