live 1/2 nl QQ hand (100$ max buy in)

[meleader2]

i'm BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and raise it to 15$ preflop and get 3 callers.

pot is 57$ after the 3$ rake.

Flop:

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I'm first to act and open with 35$. First guy calls (known to chase flushes) and other 2 fold.

Pot is ~125$

Turn:

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Stacks at this point:

Me ~350$
Villain ~60$

Fearing the flush I check, he checks behind (any bet i make would pot commit him if he calls...the pot is too huge for me to fold if he raises...):

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My action is..........

[Ghazban]

What was your plan if he bet the turn?

[meleader2]

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What was your plan if he bet the turn?

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that's what bothers me. i would've probably debated and debated until people got pissed then mucked...it'd be a push from him for sure cuz of his stack size, and with the 3 callers any one of them coulda hit a set.

I'm assuming ur response will be "that would be a mistake"?

I sat for a real long time on the turn when it was my turn to act holding a 25$ chip thinking about chucking it in before i checked.

[Ghazban]

I don't particularly like the size of your flop bet. You're betting just over half pot into 3 other people. If just one calls, anybody after that one has great odds to call to see one more card on a flush draw. If you'd bet more on the flop and still gotten this one caller, you would clearly push the turn no matter what hit as he'd be committed and would have made a bad call just on a flush draw (except AhKh) and pushing any turn would be +EV.

[meleader2]

what if i'm reraised on the flop....do i let it go? or am i commited at that point. seems like a donk move.

[bobhalford]

I think you have to bet at least 2/3 of the pot in order for it to be a mistake for villain to call with a flush draw. By betting 2/3 of the pot, you are giving him 5-2 odds to call. I bet strong on this flop.

[djoyce003]

full pot the flop and the rest is straight forward. What are you afraid of on that flop.

[meleader2]

you guys are kidding right? "what are u afraid of on that flop" "bet 2/3 on the flop to drive the flush draws out"

grrrrrrrrrreat advice, if he doesn't have a set. what am i afraid of on the flop?? 22, 88, 44, 82, 84, 42. betting pot will make it REAL hard to fold. betting 2/3 on flop is 40$. i bet 35$. do some math.

[theben]

push the flop

[theben]

if you full pot, you are going to be stuck regardless of what falls

with a 35$ bet, you have half your stack in there. that puts so much in, its going to be too hard to fold on a safe turn

i say push and hope theres no set. or you could just give up, or shoot for a flop CR-all in if the table is aggr. enough. but w/ that flop and the callers, you probably wont get a bet behind u