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#1
07-11-2005, 11:31 AM
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Flop Flush Draw on Paired Board
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Preflop: Hero is CO with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.25. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks. Flop: (7 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero... My first hand at the table. No reads, but I don't think they are important for this situation. Do I fold, raise or call here? What if there is a check-raise. Should I call or cap? 
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#3
07-11-2005, 11:38 AM
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Re: Flop Flush Draw on Paired Board
Just call. You don't raise because you have no chance of winning w/o your flush. You're not going to drive out anyone with a higher flush draw, and you won't get enough people to call two cold to make it for value. I don't think anyone's got the full house here (yet) so you are drawing live. Someone could be going for a check-raise, but that's the chance you'll have to take.
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#4
07-11-2005, 11:59 AM
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Re: Flop Flush Draw on Paired Board
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Someone could be going for a check-raise, but that's the chance you'll have to take. [/ QUOTE ] I would love it if somebody check-raised, as I might now be able to 3-bet for value and get called in multiple spots.
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#5
07-11-2005, 12:03 PM
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Re: Flop Flush Draw on Paired Board
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You don't raise because you have no chance of winning w/o your flush [/ QUOTE ] I think on this board and with this action there is a fair chance that you will win if you spike a pair. But calling and playing this as a flush draw is best as with this many loose players you will be paid off well if you hit your flush. [ QUOTE ] Someone could be going for a check-raise, but that's the chance you'll have to take. [/ QUOTE ] This would be a good thing and I would raise if they did this for a possible free card and for value. It's much more likely the bettor is being check/raised with trips than a full house/quads.
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#6
07-11-2005, 12:05 PM
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Re: Flop Flush Draw on Paired Board
I would raise here. If someone has an ace, you are likely to get good action on the flush. If re-raised, I would cap this flop.
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#7
07-11-2005, 12:06 PM
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Re: Flop Flush Draw on Paired Board
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I would raise here. If someone has an ace, you are likely to get good action on the flush. If re-raised, I would cap this flop. [/ QUOTE ] You're assuming enough callers to make this raise an equity. I disagree.
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#8
07-11-2005, 12:06 PM
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Re: Flop Flush Draw on Paired Board
no i'm wrong. call. with that board they'll fold two a raise
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#9
07-11-2005, 12:09 PM
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Re: Flop Flush Draw on Paired Board
So you think that anyone that doesn't have the ace is going to call even the first bet? The only people that will call even the first bet are flush draws, and maybe any small/medium PP, hoping to get the boat. I think I would like to make the cold call to try for their boat, and get some nice action from the trip aces when I hit my flush. I also have a backdoor straight and straight flush draw.
I respect your opinion greatly, so convince me.
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#10
07-11-2005, 12:13 PM
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Re: Flop Flush Draw on Paired Board
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[ QUOTE ] I would raise here. If someone has an ace, you are likely to get good action on the flush. If re-raised, I would cap this flop. [/ QUOTE ] You're assuming enough callers to make this raise an equity. I disagree. [/ QUOTE ] I do too. Anyone who cold calls here either has trips or is a special kind of donk. They'll still call one with anything, but not two. Call, and hope the fish come along.
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