Queens with two aces on board

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BB is loose pf, and has called down with almost anything sooted, even 63 off when he had no piece of the flop and no draw.

MP2 is slightly unknown, hasn't done anything dumb as of yet, and hasn't played 8 of the last 10 hands since I noticed him joining. Am assuming he's a decent player.

Ultimate Bet 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

[skoal2k4]

I don't mind your call on the turn... you have plenty of outs here, but I would dump this hand UI on the river to any action and probably only call down if I did improve to anything besides one of the Q's (then I'd raise/call) People will tell you "if you call the turn, you need to call the river" but given mp's profile, that just seems like spewing to me

[bottomset]

bet the turn, the A couldn't have possibly made a hand better than yours, that didn't already have you beat .. you got the 2nd nut flush draw, and 2queen outs as well

[JacksonTens]

You bet the flop, so if no one else had the flush you just picked up fold equity, so I think you should have bet the turn, then its an easy fold if you get rerasied as I doubt theres any trickys at .05c/.10c. I bet the turn if called, and then I might even bet the river.

[Kumubou]

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I don't mind your call on the turn... you have plenty of outs here, but I would dump this hand UI on the river to any action and probably only call down if I did improve to anything besides one of the Q's (then I'd raise/call) People will tell you "if you call the turn, you need to call the river" but given mp's profile, that just seems like spewing to me

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Whaaaaaaaaaat?!

That second ace gives me more reason to keep jamming, not less! It is a really nice card -- if you were ahead, it makes that fact become more clear (since it now becomes less likely someone has an Ace, and it does not help any draws). If you were behind, you were already behind and people with an ace (or the made flush) will be much more willing to let you know (many players who will not raise TPRK will jam with trips, and people love setting traps with monstars).

Not betting makes this hand harder to play. If you bet and MP1 raises, it's more likely that he has the goods (as he was waiting for an safe turn card to jam on this odd board; or he's just being cute and trapping). If this board was not monocrone, I would argue he probably has a T and is value betting it, figuring you to be on large cards (with a heart) that whiffed. Maybe that is what he thinks you have anyway.

Calling down with the second nut flush? Calling a raise with top boat?? Man, I seriously doubt someone has K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or AA. Hell, I think his hand may very well be best on the river regardless of what comes! Please bet.

-K

[skoal2k4]

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MP2 is slightly unknown, hasn't done anything dumb as of yet, and hasn't played 8 of the last 10 hands since I noticed him joining. Am assuming he's a decent player.


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what i said is based on that

[Kumubou]

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MP2 is slightly unknown, hasn't done anything dumb as of yet, and hasn't played 8 of the last 10 hands since I noticed him joining. Am assuming he's a decent player.


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what i said is based on that

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That is more of a reason to get aggro here, not less! To me that means his betting/raising range here is much wider than the nuts or near-nuts, even on a relatively scary board. If I was MP1, I would be betting a pair of Ts there -- the raise/bet/check line just screams "paint with a flush draw" to me. No free card for you!

-K

[skoal2k4]

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MP2 is slightly unknown, hasn't done anything dumb as of yet, and hasn't played 8 of the last 10 hands since I noticed him joining. Am assuming he's a decent player.


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what i said is based on that

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That is more of a reason to get aggro here, not less! To me that means his betting/raising range here is much wider than the nuts or near-nuts, even on a relatively scary board. If I was MP1, I would be betting a pair of Ts there -- the raise/bet/check line just screams "paint with a flush draw" to me. No free card for you!

-K

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so a decent tight player that hasn't done anything dumb is making a move here? for what reason?

[bottomset]

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MP2 is slightly unknown, hasn't done anything dumb as of yet, and hasn't played 8 of the last 10 hands since I noticed him joining. Am assuming he's a decent player.


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what i said is based on that

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That is more of a reason to get aggro here, not less! To me that means his betting/raising range here is much wider than the nuts or near-nuts, even on a relatively scary board. If I was MP1, I would be betting a pair of Ts there -- the raise/bet/check line just screams "paint with a flush draw" to me. No free card for you!

-K

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so a decent tight player that hasn't done anything dumb is making a move here? for what reason?

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uh you have a 10hand sample with 8folds, you don't know he's decent, its not smart to lock in the read yet

[toddw8]

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so a decent tight player that hasn't done anything dumb is making a move here? for what reason?

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He's making a move after hero showed weakness by checking. This greatly increases a decent player's range of hands.