Play along, QTs

madscout · #1 07-08-2005, 08:55 AM

SB is 26/5.4/1 (350 hands)
BB is 10.7/7.1/0 (28 hands)
UTG+2 is 19/12/1 (42 hands)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $1.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, SB completes, BB raises, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, CO folds, SB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (4.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero...

Paxosmotic · #2 07-08-2005, 10:19 AM

Raise to move the other two out of the hand, then take the free showdown. If it's 3-bet on the turn, call and fold the river unimproved. If he calls then leads the river, call unless it's a K or an A. I try to show this down as cheaply as possible.

madscout · #3 07-08-2005, 12:27 PM

Turn: (4.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero...

I'm 100% sure SB had the "raise any" box checked.

Paxosmotic · #4 07-08-2005, 12:30 PM

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Turn: (4.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero...

I'm 100% sure SB had the "raise any" box checked.

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Well if we could raise getting 5.5:1, it's certainly worth a call at 12.5:1. We're definitely folding unimproved on the river now, small blind is awfully proud of his hand.

I'll check/fold the river unimproved, check/call the river if a Q or T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] falls, and check/raise if an offsuit T falls, giving us a better trips than he's holding.

Aces McGee · #5 07-08-2005, 12:35 PM

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I'll check/fold the river unimproved...snip...and check/raise if an offsuit T falls, giving us a better trips than he's holding.

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This can't be right.

-McGee

meep_42 · #6 07-08-2005, 12:38 PM

Honestly, i'm pretty close to folding this one right here. SB has us drawing dead a large, large percentage of the time, in my estimation.

He liked his hand enough to check the flop and then check the turn looking for a check-raise. Most of the time he's not worried about getting outdrawn here. I'm thinking 68, 77, and 33 a lot of the time.

I probably play the same as you, though. Call/fold UI, call 1 withe the Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], if the T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] shows up, you're in a world of hurt, though.

-d

private joker · #7 07-08-2005, 12:55 PM

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Raise to move the other two out of the hand, then take the free showdown. If it's 3-bet on the turn, call and fold the river unimproved. If he calls then leads the river, call unless it's a K or an A. I try to show this down as cheaply as possible.

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I agree with this line, but as it played out with the SB 3-betting the turn, it gets more complicated -- you might be all right folding to his turn 3-bet. But if he's a donk and had the "raise any" checked because he thought he could isolate, maybe it's worth calling and see if he fires again on the river; if so, I fold. I can't imagine a pair of tens with a Q kicker is good after this action.

madscout · #8 07-08-2005, 02:01 PM

SB 3-bets, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

River: (13.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, UTG+2 calls, Hero...

blackize · #9 07-08-2005, 02:13 PM

I dont think you can fold top two here, but I dont think you can raise either. I think I just call.

Nick C · #10 07-08-2005, 02:13 PM

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SB 3-bets, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

River: (13.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, UTG+2 calls, Hero... 

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I just call.

I think there's a really good chance SB picked up a straight on the turn with J8 or 86.

If that's not the case, then he may have slowplayed a flopped set.

What you're really kind of hoping is that he just caught two pair on the turn. I think that hope makes it worth a call on the river, but the turn check/3-bet represents a lot of strength, and I don't want to pay more than I have to to show my hand down, at this point.