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Old 07-07-2005, 07:55 AM
Falcon900EX Falcon900EX is offline
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Default Got top pair on the turn against rock fold?

Hello all,

my reads were: SB-fish,MP1-Rock,MP3-SLP-A,CO-no read,Button-SLP-P.
My question what do you think here of my play i tried to check raise on the turn to isolate.
Should i fold against the thre bet of the rock?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, SB calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds.

Turn: (5 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Button folds, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (11 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB
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Old 07-07-2005, 08:31 AM
speirs speirs is offline
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Default Re: Got top pair on the turn against rock fold?

What do you put this particular rock on when he open-limps in middle position? When you know him to be a rock maybe just call the turn since your attempted isolation of the button failed anyway?
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Old 07-07-2005, 08:47 AM
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Default Re: Got top pair on the turn against rock fold?


I probably fold this hand on the flop to 1 SB, having missed the board and have yet to shown any strength.

You're getting 8:1 to your call. You are about 7:1 to make a pair on the turn (10s or As).. With limpers who could have anything, there's a decent chance you are still behind even if you make it.

I lay down these marginal calls at limit, with many people in the pot they end up costing you money if you improve your hand on the turn. I think a call on the flop is -EV.
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Old 07-07-2005, 10:18 AM
Falcon900EX Falcon900EX is offline
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Default Re: Got top pair on the turn against rock fold?

are there more opinions on that?
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Old 07-07-2005, 11:02 AM
SeaEagle SeaEagle is offline
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Default Re: Got top pair on the turn against rock fold?

I'm fine with your check raise. A whiff doesn't kill you here.

On the 3-bet, there are only a few reasonable hands that are beating you: a slowplayed set (which is doubtful given the stop-n-go), A6, and A2. Why do you classify villian as a rock? Would he open limp with A-any or not raise with AJ or better? Neither of these plays are generally associated with a rock.

Against most rocks, you can safely fold a middling hand like yours against a turn 3-bet. This 3-bet is pretty suspicious, though.
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Old 07-07-2005, 12:39 PM
Justin A Justin A is offline
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Default Re: Got top pair on the turn against rock fold?

I think this is an easy flop fold.
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Old 07-10-2005, 11:24 PM
Falcon900EX Falcon900EX is offline
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Default Re: Got top pair on the turn against rock fold?

What about if i had AJo still an easy fold on the flop?
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Old 07-11-2005, 12:58 AM
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Default Re: Got top pair on the turn against rock fold?

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I think this is an easy flop fold.

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Old 07-11-2005, 09:59 AM
Falcon900EX Falcon900EX is offline
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Default Re: Got top pair on the turn against rock fold?

tx all,

but my question what about if i had AJo is still not awnsered.
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Old 07-10-2005, 11:28 PM
ArturiusX ArturiusX is offline
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Default Re: Got top pair on the turn against rock fold?

I don't get it, why are we folding this flop?
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