Ultra Lag Showing Hands

Mempho · #1 07-06-2005, 10:27 AM

This guy ended up with a 83.56 VPIP with a 56.85 PFR through 146 hands that I played with him. I'm not a big fan of multi-hand posts...but I need to lay down the theme here.

Very first hand is this:
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MP1 ($83.5)
Villain ($100)
MP3 ($115.92)
CO ($97.5)
Button ($116.78)
SB ($114.4)
BB ($24.52)
UTG ($142)
UTG+1 ($94.5)
UTG+2 ($99.05)

Preflop: Villain is MP2 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Villain posts a blind of $1. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, MP1 calls $1, Villain (poster) raises to $5, 1 fold, CO calls $6, 3 folds, UTG folds, MP1 calls $5.

Flop: ($20.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, Villain bets $20, CO folds, MP1 calls $20.

Turn: ($60.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Villain calls $74 (All-In), MP1 folds.

Final Pot: $134.50

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Villain wins $134.50. 

Second hand he raises preflop to $4, and he folds after heat from an opponent.

Third hand he raises preflop again and everyone folds

Fourth hand of the session:

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UTG ($57.5)
Villain ($118)
UTG+2 ($115.92)
MP1 ($91.5)
MP2 ($116.78)
MP3 ($128.85)
CO ($23.02)
Button ($139.5)
SB ($93.5)
BB ($99.05)

Preflop: Villain is UTG+1 with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG calls $1, Villain raises to $5, 8 folds, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($11.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Villain bets $11, UTG calls $11.

Turn: ($33.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG calls $41.50 (All-In), Villain calls $41.50.

River: ($116.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $116.50

Results in white below: 
UTG has As 9c (one pair, aces).
Villain has 2h 8s (two pair, eights and twos).
Outcome: Villain wins $116.50. 

Sixth hand of the session:

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BB ($0)
Villain ($174)
UTG+1 ($115.92)
UTG+2 ($91.5)
MP1 ($116.78)
MP2 ($128.85)
MP3 ($23.02)
CO ($139.5)
Button ($93)
SB ($98.05)

Preflop: Villain is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Villain posts a blind of $1. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
4 folds, MP3 calls $1, CO calls $1, Button calls $1, SB (poster) raises to $6.5, Villain (poster) calls $6, MP3 calls $22.02 (All-In), CO folds, Button folds, SB calls $16.02, Villain calls $16.02.

Flop: ($71.06) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB bets $35, Villain raises to $85, SB calls $40.03 (All-In).

Turn: ($231.09) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($231.09) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $231.09

Results in white below: 
SB has Qh Qs (two pair, queens and fours).
BB doesn't show.
Villain has Kd 2d (flush, king high).
MP3 has 2s As (two pair, fours and threes).
Outcome: Villain wins $231.09. 

Eighth hand he wins $30 with Queens up

Anyway, it goes on and on and on....and then this comes up:

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MP3 ($132.4)
Villain ($112.55)
Button ($145.22)
SB ($103)
BB ($91.1)
UTG ($91.5)
UTG+1 ($100)
UTG+2 ($63.7)
Hero ($129.6)
MP2 ($182.6)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
3 folds, MP1 calls $1, 2 folds, Villain raises to $5, 2 folds, BB calls $4, MP1 folds.

Flop: ($11.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Villain bets $5, BB calls $5.

Turn: ($21.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Villain bets $10, BB calls $10.

River: ($41.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $10, Villain raises to $40, BB calls $30.

Final Pot: $121.50

Results in white below: 
BB has As Td (one pair, aces).
Villain has Kd Ks (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: Villain wins $121.50. 

This guy was check-raising, reraising and stealing pots right and left the whole time and then showing complete trash...most of the time with no draw, no pair. He got trapped twice by somebody with AK and somebody with AA, but he was winning money. How could this guy be winning? How do I play against this guy?

amoeba · #2 07-06-2005, 10:39 AM

with a good hand, check call down.

repop him preflop with good hands.

in the QQ vs K2 hand, SB should have pushed preflop after the all in from short stack.

Mempho · #3 07-06-2005, 11:23 AM

How could he be winning?

xorbie · #4 07-06-2005, 11:32 AM

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How could he be winning?

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It's called variance. Comebined with people not pushing PF against him with QQ for some odd reason.

amoeba · #5 07-06-2005, 11:34 AM

he gets lucky on the flop and people hand them their whole stack with top pair.

BZ_Zorro · #6 07-06-2005, 11:38 AM

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with a good hand, check call down.

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Only if the hand is good enough to call an all in at any point. These guys make money by getting calls then pushing check callers off their hands.

Nathan183 · #7 07-06-2005, 11:40 AM

Don't be results oriented. He is not a winning player. His style has a huge variance, and he will sometimes win a lot. I think the best strategy is to wait for a decent hand and call him down. If he raises every hand and bluffs every street, this is a winning strategy (in the long run).

amoeba · #8 07-06-2005, 11:41 AM

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with a good hand, check call down.

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Only if the hand is good enough to call an all in at any point. These guys make money by getting calls then pushing check callers off their hands.

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I agree.

you will have to make lots of tough decisions with good but not great hands.

This is one of the few time when I would suggest buying in a bit short and just play preflop poker.

Niwa · #9 07-06-2005, 11:54 AM

You wait for a better spot.

Mempho · #10 07-06-2005, 12:00 PM

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Don't be results oriented. He is not a winning player. His style has a huge variance, and he will sometimes win a lot. I think the best strategy is to wait for a decent hand and call him down. If he raises every hand and bluffs every street, this is a winning strategy (in the long run).

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He didn't bluff and raise every street. About 5 times I saw people with TPTK or better (2 times with 2 pair; once with a flopped flush) check-call the flop and then get it checked down to the river because they kept trying to trap him. He bluffed the turn often, but he got out being trapped (from what I could tell) 5 times out of 7. The other times, he had a better hand when the money went in. For instance, I saw him take K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] against KQ (of course he had raised pf) and the flop came K4X with no suits. He bet like normal after the check and the guy with KQ kept check-calling until he had called off his entire stack.

Every time that I had a decent hand with him, he didn't lead out....but, every time I flopped nothing, he made a continuation bet on the turn when I didn't catch.