88 gets raised on the flop...

Buck_65 · #1 07-03-2005, 07:19 PM

Villain seems to be a SLAG, but 30 hands means I have no read.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 4 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP1 folds, BB folds, Hero???

Once upon a time, I routinely folded here without questioning it...

mantasm · #2 07-03-2005, 07:20 PM

Tell us about utg+1

Buck_65 · #3 07-03-2005, 07:21 PM

Edited my post, I don't know anything about him yet except that he appears to be on the loose and aggressive side of the fence.

mantasm · #4 07-03-2005, 07:23 PM

I'd want to go to showdown with this against some players but as a default it's a fold especially in a generally passive game.

mr pink · #5 07-03-2005, 07:41 PM

i think this is a pretty easy fold.

do you think he's coldcalling 67s there and then raising an oesd on the flop? even that doesn't make sense.

Buck_65 · #6 07-03-2005, 07:45 PM

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i think this is a pretty easy fold.

do you think he's coldcalling 67s there and then raising an oesd on the flop? even that doesn't make sense.

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All I'm gonna say is, you're giving random bad 2/4 players too much respect.

mr pink · #7 07-03-2005, 07:52 PM

i don't think so. there is no way you're ahead often enough to warrant a calldown on that dry of a flop when you consider your effective odds. the pot just isn't that big.

2/4 is easy because of all the bad calling stations that can't fold when they're pretty clearly beat, don't become one of them.

mtdoak · #8 07-03-2005, 09:50 PM

I grind my teeth and call it down. Most players are just as likley to to do this with A5 or 76 as they are with a Q. Getting over 10-1 I can't find the fold button here.

KDawgCometh · #9 07-03-2005, 10:39 PM

I don't know about the raise PF. I'd limp here. I'd still fold here with no real read. you didn't give any stats, and I doubt that he is raising with a hand that you beat

chesspain · #10 07-03-2005, 11:19 PM

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I grind my teeth and call it down. Most players are just as likley to to do this with A5 or 76 as they are with a Q. Getting over 10-1 I can't find the fold button here.

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That would be find if you were going to be all-in, but you have two big bet streets coming up and reverse implied odds. In addition, I doubt very much that this player has 76. FWIW, I think that the odds of his having a hand like AQ/KQ/QJs/QTs etc. are much greater than the odds of his having A5 and then raising the flop with this holding.