Trying Mr. Miller's "winning" short stack strategy from GSIH

[Etric]

It's not working so well:



Am i missing something?

[Niediam]

At 19k hands it's possible that it is still just varience...

[Zaxenexaz]

I have 17579 hands of party NL25 in at 9.26 PTBB/100, 5769 hands at NL50 at 4.72 PTBB/100.
I don't feel I am very good at this strategy, and its not purely by the book (I buy in for $7 at NL25 and rebuy when I drop below this)
Alot of situations still confuse me and I'm not sure on what to do, its hard to know when to go all in on the flop with nothing, and most of the time I am just making a continuation bet, check/folding, or just folding to a bet into me.
So I would call my strategy more of a hybrid between playing NL normally and playing a short stacked strategy. I also look for situations where its profitable to play pocket pairs for set value, suited cards in late position at times, etc.

Hope this helps some, but its not very easy to describe exactly what I do.

Zaxen

[razor]

That doesn't look too good.

After 23.5k hands of $100NL I'm +$23. I've had one downswing about about -$325, another of about -$200 and a two others of about -$175. My graph of my $100NL results is nothing like my graph of my $50NL results (which looks quite nice.)

Despite these lackluster results, I'm fairly certain I'm just running bad rather than this being a losing strategy (due to the nature of how my hands are getting beat.) It doesn't take many hands going the wrong way to mess with one's results.

[vulturesrow]

Stick with it. I am having very good short term results with this strategy. Take a look at the hands you are losing and see what is happening. Here is the bottom line: If you are getting your money in when you have the best of it consistently, them the long term results will show.

[Etric]

I have 2 big cards OOP and the flop comes J85 two toned or 239r. Sometimes I push and they fold, sometimes I push and they call with a pair and I lose, sometimes I push and they call with a pair and I hit a pair and sometimes they call with a draw that busts. So I'm losing with "high card ace" quite a bit...

[mosquito]

Even as simple as the system is, I have found that
there is much to learn to use it correctly.

For example, I steal pots from my blinds from time
to time. When more than one person calls PF, it is
not neccessarily correct to lead at the pot OOP.
And so on.

[Brad22]

From what I have seen, moving all-in the way he suggests can look very suspicious to people at the table. People may see it as a typical power move, and may call you b/c they think you are bullshitting (and hit something on the flop themselves). You have no idea how many times I have AA-QQ, make a pre-flop raise, get callers, and immediately go all-in on the flop. Seriously, I get called 4 out of 5 times. They're all like, "Kings...damn, I'm way behind." Doesn't matter, someone always calls, can't figure out why.

Like others said, its very dependent on the type of game you're in. Most of the low-limit NL games I see have loose players who will pay you off. I rarely make that move as a bluff.

If you're nl game is tigher, or you're in a pot with much tighter players, the strategy is perfect, and should show long-term profit.


Ed - Do you have any thoughts? I'm curious to know what you think about this, and what your experience at these tables has been like.

[Brad22]

Let me clear that up....

Raising with AA-QQ and moving all-in is a good move.

Raising with A-X or another good high hand that has not hit - that is what I was not particularly recommending in a loose nl game.

[Niediam]

Odds are that your opponent missed the flop also.